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saying that we have the robert mueller report, although redacted. we think we have enough here to take the first steps down the impeachment pet. >-- the impeachment path. >> reporting on this story as we mentioned at thanks so much for the update. scott: good to be with you, bill. >> the house judiciary committee looked into the rise of hate crimes andwhite nationalism. the fbi says hate crimes have an increased. facebook and google officials testified on social media's influence. candace owens often appears before the committee. >> the judiciary committee will come to order. without objection, the chair is authorized to declare recesses of the committee at any time. we welcome everyone to today's
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hearing on hate crimes and the rise of white nationalism. recognize myself in an opening statement. today the judiciary committee will hold a hearing or wish we did not have to conduct, which is sadly necessary to examine an urgent crisis in our country. we will consider issues relating to hate crimes and the rise of white. nationalism. ouroes to the heart of country's long-standing struggle to carry out what the preamble of our constitution says it is designed to do -- to form a more perfect union. incidents target victims based on their perceived race, religion, sexual orientation or other immutable characteristics. some of these incidents may be crimes and some are not. all of them harm not only individuals but our communities and ultimately our entire nation. unfortunately, very statistics confirm what most of us have observed. that hate incidents are increasing in the united states.
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other reporting of hate crimes to the fbi by the states is woefully incomplete, what we do know is that these statistics have been on the rise in recent years with hate crimes surging 20% last year and the plurality of these crimes 29% being motivated by anti- black bias. the american public consensus reality. a poll conducted by the communities against hate showed that 84% of individuals believe that hate incidents are very or somewhat prevalent in this country and 66% believe that such incidents or expressions of hate or growing worse. this increases incurred during a rise of white nationalism across the globe. the deadly 2017 unite the right white nationalist rally in charlottesville served as a frightening reminder of the threat white nationalism poses to the united states. in just the last three years, the ideology of white supremacy
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has inspired terrorist attacks in all of the abraham and relations. nine worshipers were murdered at the african episcopal church in charleston. in 2018, 11 people were killed at the tree of life synagogue in pittsburgh. this year, 50 people were slaughtered at a mosque in christchurch, new zealand. in each case, the perpetrators are motivated by belief that people perceived to be non-white, whether they be african-americanss, jews, muslims or members of other minority communities were plotting to undermine the white s part of a great replacement for the same idea that motivated the 2011 norwegian attacks of the summer camp that cst 77 lives in the attack on a sikh temple in milwaukee that cost six lives. in thea ge of is to
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communication with worldwide reach, white nationalist groups target communities of color through social media platforms, some of which are well known to all americans and some of which operate in hidden corners of the web. these platforms are utilized as conduits to spread vitriolic hate messages to every home and country. efforts by media companies to counter the surge have fallen short. the social network platforms continue to be used as ready avenues to spread dangerous white nationalist speech. as the new zealand attack showed, some ideological rhetoric that originates in the united states is now used to inspire terror worldwide. time whenely, in a decisive leadership is needed, the president's rhetoric fans withalmes- the flames language that motivate and embolden white supremacists. you only need to look at the perpetrators of violence and hate to see this impact this
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rhetoric has had. the new zealand shooter declared he supports president trump "as a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose." congress in recent years has also failed to take seriously the threat that white nationalism poses. last congress we did not even hold hearing after the charlottesville unite the right rally or after the tree of life synagogue shooting. now we see witnesses invited by the minority who openly associate with purveyors of hate. white nationalism and a splitter its proliferation online have real consequences. americans have died. i did not call his hearing for someone to promote the messages we need to combat. although we will examine the federal government's response in more detail in the future, i it appearsw federal law-enforcement agencies have not taken the deadly in increasing dangers posed by white nationalist groups as
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seriously as foreign terrorist threats. investigative reporter analyzed incidents of domestic terrorism during january 2008 to december 2016 and found there were twice as many acts perpetrated by right-wing extremists, 115, compared to those identified as islamist mystic terrorism, -- . domestic terrorism 63. the report concludes that right-wing extremist attacks were deadly. massly due the 2009 shooting enforcement, texas and 13 deaths. 13% of islamic cases cause fatalities. a third of attacks committed by ing extremists result in death. us better understand the nature these threats to our communities, the ways in social media has been used to spread hate, we have a diverse panel of
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witnesses before us today. i trust our frank discussion of these issues will help the committee and the public better understand the challenges we best to how ewe may respond. it is my pleasure to recognize the gentleman from georgia. for his opening statement. >> the attackers medical records show that his mind and heartt ws sick. join every american who rejects white nationalism. we take action when one of our colleagues ran counter to our
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values. american values share nothing ideologically with white nationalism. nothing supremacist claim resonate with any of us here today and i appreciate the chance to consider how to combat the violence associated with this terrible ideology. too often we have seen white nationalism and racial and ethnic and cultural superiority end in violence at the national level. hatred and racial superiority continue to play out in western china where the uighurs are being detained in education camps and killed and growing rampant in iraq. issuend over again, the is racism and hate that mobilize people for violence. why haven't we learned these lessons? all men are created with the and other bedrock principles of our nation. the problem is our hearts run quickly to hate. and embrace any data to suggest that we are better than our neighbors.
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today hate always makes its nest in pridefulness. when we examine the foundations of white supremacy the primary difference between white nationalism and ethnic cleansing not substance. i think people would campaign experience have witnessed firsthand how people's hearts become hate factors. i hope we will use this hearing to pursue international integrity. i'm glad to have our witnesses here. just as i'm glad to have all the democratic witnesses here. that is what makes us better people without distraction of headlines and banners. with that in mind, as we move forward, i worry that the true motivation for this hearing is to suggest that republicans are hateful and dystonic and connected to those characters who spew hatred in the public square p as we all know, hauser hawkins led the rejection --
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house republicans led the nationalists.hite to those is that we could of been clear sooner, i hear you we cannot afford to let hatred build a home in our nation's capital which is why it is anti-.ant to rise -- for semitism in the same body. it is interesting to note that. white nationalism has traffic and anti-semitism we know that it is a medical violence has extinguished collis lives. what i do not know is why the tolerance for jewish -- has been spilling over into members of this body. according to the anti-defamation league, anti-semitic violence has increased 57% anin 2017. i hope they will use this hearing to condemn anti-semitism along with the cornerstone of the house. people come to america because it of force liberty and safety
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on available in many corners from the globe. this country is committed to free press and a blind justice system. the there are things a foster diversity and the terror bankrupt idealizes -- ideologies like white nationalism. to identify and reject hateful world views. is shared among all citizens, authorities are less likely to oppress the people they are meant a serpenserve. americans have always understood these dynamics. identity politics has divided us and we have forgotten our core political identity. americans fundamentally recognize each of us have been endowed by our creator with certain unalienable rights. in other words our unity as a nation t depends on our equality as citizen. white nationalism denies this and i sit here today rejecting hate and violence of any kind.
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without i yield back. the gentleman. i will now introduce today's witnesses. senior vice president of policy for the anti-defamation league. prior to joining the adl she served as head of public policy for the wiki media foundation for her cheer and her bachelor's from el college and jv from yeale. yaled bachelors from college. he worked as a general practitioner in iraq and gordon. he attended eastern virginia medical school. eva patterson is the president and cofounder of the equal justice society. career of antidiscrimination work includes 26 years of the lawyers committee for civil rights, 13 director, executive cofounding and sharing the
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california civil rights coalition for 18 years and serving as the vice president of the aclu national board. she received her j.d. from uc berkeley school of law. neil potts currently serves as a public policy director for facebook. who oversees the development of implementation of facebook's community standards. graduated from the naval academy and the university of virginia law school. prior to joining facebook on he worked as a ground intelligence officer in the marine corps. alexandria walden is a government relations counsel for google. she also represents google at the global network u initiative. she has also worked at the raven group, the center for american progress. and isrved a-- a biostatistician. owens is an american
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commentator and political activist. she serves as a director communications for the advocacy group turning point usa. christian clark serves as the president and executive director of the national lawyers committee for civil rights. previously, she has works with the naacp legal defense and education fund and at the u.s. department of justice in the civil rights division. j.v. from her columbia law school which is in my district. we thank you for participating in today's hearing. if you would please rise, i will begin by swearing you in. raise your right hand, please. under penalty of perjury the testimony about to give is true and correct to the best of your knowledge, so help you got? -- help you god? let the win record show the
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witnesses answered in the affirmative. note that each of your written statements will be entered into the record its entirety. i ask that you summarizer testimony in five minutes. there is a tiny light on your table. when the light switches from green to yellow you have one minute to conclude your testimony. when the light turns red, it signal for five minutes have expired. you may being. chairman, the ranking member and the members of the committee, good morning. i'm the senior vice president for policy at adl, the anti-defamation league. you forirst say thank your leadership in recognizing the importance of addressing the increase in hate crimes and resurgence of white supremacy. i appreciate the opportunity to discuss topics my colleagues and i are focused on everyday. myond, i'd like to thank
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fellow panelist for their perspective today, especially dr. abua salha. thank you for sharing the story of your daughters murtha, such horrific -- your daughters murder. i know they affects the families most of all and i'm so sorry for your loss. since our founding in 1913, d adl's mission has been to stop the defamation of the jewish people and secure justice and fair treatment for all. adl is one of the foremost non-governmental authorities on domestic terrorism, extremism, hate groups, and hate crimes. for many decades we have been tracking white supremacists and other extremist. we have been developing strategies to address these threats. in 1985, we issued a report on how white supremacists communicated on dial-up computer nulletin boards and we have bee
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working to combat the spread of hate online ever since, including partnering with the tech industry. you have my full testimony. but allow me to highlight a few points for you. white supremacists in the united states have experienced a resurgence in the past three years. driven in large part by the rise of the alt-right. there is also a clear corollary as our research shows to the rise in polarizing and hateful rhetoric on the part of candidates and elected leaders. this is a particularly dangerous problem. sote the premises -- premises have been responsible for more than half, 54 percent of all domestic, extremist related murders in the past 10 years. in that last year, that figure has risen to 78% of all extremist related murders. that is white supremacists were
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responsible for more than 3/4 of all domestic extremist murderers in 2018. so, there is a crucial need for this hearing, focusing on white nationalism. not because other types of extremism are not dangerous, but because we as a society, our laws and our elected leaders have not focused sufficiently on the rising threat of white supremacy. the other driving force for the resurgence of white supremacy is the role of social media in enabling this hate to spread. just this morning adl issued a new report documenting how before carrying out the hateful murders in pittsburgh and new zealand, the alleged white supremacist gunman frequented fringe social networking site gab that act as
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echo chambers for the most avirulent racism and act -- and act as active recruiting grounds for potential terrorists. these platforms are like round-the-clock digital white supremacist rallies creating online communities that amplify their vitriolic fantasies. if you craft policies and responses to these, >> we believe they must include -- w they challenges we believe must include revitalizing the attention to domestic terrorism -- righte and morestic terrorism comprehensively report hate crimes to the fbi, strengthening laws against perpetrators of online hate. to ensure that social media platforms act against hate and increase transparency in ways they are not now doing. and improving law enforcement
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training for responding to hate online and off. i have submitted detailed recommendations for the tech industry, which are included in my written testimony. alllly, i implore you and public leaders to consistently call out bigger treat -- bigo try and extremism at every opportunity to we all have the responsibility to make clear that america is no place for hate. thank you. i'm happy to take any questions the committee may have. >> thank you. >> good morning, mr. chairman, members of congress and ladies and gentlemen. in 2016, it was the day our lives changed forever when my two daughters and my son-in-law were shot to death execution style in chapel hill. we arrived at the scene, yellow tape and flashing lights froze the blood in our veins. we waited six hours before
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police offices confirmed that our daughter -- and son-in-law had all been shot to death. an officer whispered, "they didn't suffer. it was swift, it was one shot to the back of the head." well, his statement did not make it any more bearable. nothing did. news about their deaths spread all over the internet and media, over the globe. but we never heard in the media that the murderer hated them. trouble began when this man observed my two daughters appearing on the scene with their her job -- their hajabs. i remember this man told her he hated how she looked and dressed. he made it clear to my children they were not welcome in their own neighborhood. of a few one physicians who read his own children's murder, the details.
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they are seared into my memory. bullets in their brains. leah took many bullets to the arm and chest before she fell to the ground. after that the murderer saw that he was still breathing and shot him in the mouth. the last time we saw them in their coffins, therefore had was eyesng and her yes had -- was hered gray and life smiling face was now lifeless and deadly ple. he lacked expression and he had a broken tooth from the final shot to the mouth. for giving me this opportunity to testify before you but i want you to remember more than their deaths. i want you to know who they were and how we lost her she was a vibrant 20 ru-year-old woman. from volunteering at a dental
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clinic for syrian refugees in turkey and defeating the homeless in downtown raleigh and building houses for habitat humanity or she graduated from nc university and was accepted at the school of dentistry. 19 years old and was so full of life. generous gentle soul, giver, talented artist and photographer. he was a freshman at the school of design. and apply to be an architect. during her freshman year, she meant toward -- mentored and taught youth and led project downtown fleeting the homeless downtown. and with personalized notes she wrote. i race and to be muslim americans proud of their community. as american as apple pie. too.can be muslim,
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my son-in-law was a smarter and kind young man who was studying dentistry. he was an avid basketball fan, but not of duke. awas -- he was compassionate and caring individual who spent much of his time giving back to those in need, including getting free dental supplies to the homeless. although they were only married weeks, years, six short before they were murdered. those. werethe happiest days of their lives . ladies and gentlemen, what happened to our children was a home invasion and execution. these beautiful young americans were brutally murdered and there is no question our mind -- this was bigotry and hate. manyhappened on too occasions, families like mine, regular americans living regular lives are left without justice. our families are fortunate to im advocates and lawyer
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supporting us every step but not everyone is so lucky. i am afraid for our country. fbi recorded a 67% increase in muslim hate crimes. just weeks ago, young men in indiana was shot in the back of the head by a man shouting muslim slurs. we miss our children so much. pain just a sharp now as it was when they died. not to let another american family go to this because our government would not act to protect all americans. please remember them. they are my children and they are gone. i'm happy to take questions afterwards. thank you very much. >> i'm so sorry. vice chairdler,
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stanton, if it is a great honor to be at this hearing. we're an organization that is transforming the nations -- oh, ranking member collins, i did not see you, transforming the nation's consciousness on race through social science and the arts. we often watch these hearings and a rather startled at the rancor that goes on between the parties so i have a favor to ask of the democrats and republicans here today. first, a brief moment of silence for hill children and all the victims of hate crimes. five minutes i would like you all to give me the benefit of the doubt. i want you to listen as americans and not as partisan enemies. i come in peace. i want to tell you who i am. i was born in your state. i'm a texas from san antonio, texas. my father was in the air force and served in vietnam. i went to desegregated military
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schools in england and france and illinois. i'm a christian i have been a civil rights lawyer for 44 years. some things are difficult to hear but they are facts. 20 enslaved14 africans landed at jamestown. in order to sell, rape and beat africans white americans had to be seen as less than human. thomas jefferson said the following, they are intellectually inferior, they are physically unattractive. thus began the narrative that black people were only good for physical labor. we were in human and violent. this was a narrative necessary in order to justify slavery. white supremacy has been a feature of the mistreatment of native americans for years and it was applied to africans once we arrived here. from the beginning of our inception through the
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constitution, the founding fathers knowingly and consciously embraced slavery and white supremacy. the threeincluding branches of government have played and continue to play a role in the perpetuation of white supremacy and the mistreatment of black people either through action or inaction. the supreme court in the dred the supreme court in the dred scott decision reinforced white supremacy i saying, black people have no rights that white people need respect. ultimately, slavery ended, reconstruction happened, black men could vote in politics reared its ugly head again. federal troops were withdrawn from the south in order to place rutherford b. hayes and the presidency, and a reign of terror in the south began. i'm a southerner. the ku klux klan came about. they were white supremacists, they lynched people, make black people could not vote eerie for years the naacp asked congress
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to act on anti-lynching laws, congress refused to act. fast forward to 1964, our fellow texan got the civil rights act but he said, we have lost the south or a -- south for a jen sayings, he said of democrats. six years later the southern strategy was devised to encourage white people to abandon the democratic party and vote for the gop. it was a shrewd and defective political strategy but it drove yet another wedge between black and white people. fast-forward to 2008, america elects a black president. unfortunately, this proves unsettling to many people who have felt superior to black people, when there is a black family in the white house. in 2015 donald trump began his campaign by calling mexicans rapists. e called for a muslim ban. when white supremacists marched in charlottesville chanting, jews will not replace us, and blood and soil, which is straight from the nazi playbook, mr. trump said there
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were good people and both sides. he recently called sylum-seekers animals. dylann roof goes into a place of worship and murders black souls. jews are slaughtered in pittsburgh, muslims are slaughtered in new zealand. we need congress to stand up and act. ranking member collins, i was delighted to hear your strong statement against white supremacy and that republicans took a lead in denouncing it, but we need you to do more. out there where i live in california, we're not sure where congress stands on white supremacy, so we are delighted you are speaking up. i would also like to address chief justice roberts, who dismantled of the voting rights act in shelby vs. holder. he said racism has been eradicated. that simply is not true. i hope he will talk to judge bernice donnell of the sixth circuit who writes extensively on racism. we hope the majority of you will give the country a signal that we are one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
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thank you very much, and i'm happy to answer any questions. mr. nadler: thank you. mr. potts. mr. potts: chairman nadler, ranking member collins, distinguished members of the committee, thank you for the opportunity to appear before you today. my name is neil potts. i'm a director at facebook with oversight of development and implementation of facebook's community standards which is the rules for what type of content we allow on the platform. i am a graduate of the united states naval academy and the university of virginia school of law and prior to joining facebook i served as an intelligence fficer in the marine corps and was deployed in support of operation iraqi freedom and enduring freedom. let me say to everyone affected by the horrific terrorist attacks in new zealand, my deepest condolences to the doctor and
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his family for the unimaginable loss they suffered. in the aftermath of such awful acts, it is important to stand against hate and violence. i'm here to tell you today that at facebook we continue to make that a priority in everything we do. facebook's mission is to give people the power to bring the world closer together. more than two billion people come through our platform every month to connect with family, friends, find out what is going on in their world, to build their businesses, to volunteer or donate to organizations they care about and help those in need. our users share billions of pictures, stories, videos about their lives and their beliefs every day. and has a diversity of viewpoints, expression and experience highlights much of what is best about facebook. but as we give people voice we want to make sure they are not using that voice to hurt others. facebook embraces the responsibility of making sure our tools are used for good and
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we take that responsibility seriously. i would like to be clear. there is no place for terrorism or hate on facebook. we remove any content that , bullieses or threatens others. our investments impact both human and technological capabilities, and facebook now employs 30,000 people across the globe to focus on safety and security. those human reviewers and automated technologies are working in concert to keep any violence, hateful and dangerous content from ever reaching our platform in the first instance and to remove it quickly when it manages to get by our first line of defense. e have protocols in place to
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pass on threats to law enforcement as soon as we become aware of them. hate can take many forms beyond overt terrorism and none of it is permitted on our platform. facebook rejects all hateful ideologies. our rule has been clear that white supremacists are not allowed on the platform under any circumstance. we have banned more than 200 white supremacist organizations under our dangerous organizations policy. last month we extended that policy to include a ban on all praise and support and representation of white nationalism and white separatism. we see these ideologies as being inextricably linked to supremacy and with the intent of violence, more generally. our policy banning praise in support of white nationalism and white separatism is not intended to prevent discussions about pride or the country we love, nor do they intend to stifle discussion,
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but they are intended to stop hateful and dangerous content from being shared on our platform and in our community. additionally, we will be connecting people who search for terms associated with white supremacy and white natism and white separatism to a group that provides outreach to former white supremacists. now, determining what should and should not be removed from our site is not simple given the amount of content we have on our platform. we know we don't and we won't always get it right but we have improved significantly. we want facebook to be a place where individuals with diverse points connect to exchange ideas, but they must feel safe o do that. fosteringted sense of safety is impair -- fostering the sense of safety is imperative, not just because how it affects our community online, but how it affects the world off-line. there is a lot more to do, but we are proud of significant progress we've made in the past
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three years. we know people have questions on i appreciate the opportunity o be here today. mr. nadler: thank you. ms. walden. ms. walden: chairman nadler, ranking member collins, members of the committee, thank you for the opportunity to appear before you today. i appreciate your leadership on the important issues of hate speech and free expression online and welcome the opportunity to discuss google's work in this area. my name is alexander waldron. -- walden. in my work i advise google on how we can preserve our deep commitment to free expression and access to information in a complicated global environment. the internet has been a force for creativity and learning and access of information. at google supporting these ideas is core to our mission and make the world universally accessible. this openness as democratized
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how stories get told. it has created a space for communities to tell their own stories on the platform where anyone can be a creator and succeed. around two billion people come to youtube every month and we see 500 hours of content uploaded every minute, making it one of the largest living movingof human culture ever assembled collections in one place. we know, however, the platforms may also be abused, ranging from annoying like spam to criminals like child pornography. this is why we have community guidelines our users must follow. every google product that hosts user content prohibits the incitement of violence or hate speech against individuals and groups based on specified attributes. we view both as grave social ills, so our policies go beyond what the u.s. requires. we are deeply troubled by the recent increase of hate and violence in the world, particularly acts of extremism
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-- violent extremism in new zealand. we take these issues seriously and we want to be part of the solution. we understand tough policies must be coupled with tough enforcement. in the past few years we invested heavily in machines and people to quickly identify and remove content that violates our policies against incitement to violence and hate speech. i'd like to briefly outline how these processes work at youtube. first, youtube's enforcement system starts at the point which the user uploads the video. if it's somewhat similar to videos that violates our policy it is sent to humans for review. they remove it and the system makes a digital fingerprint so it cannot be uploaded again. in the fourth quarter of 2018, over 70% of the more than eight reviewed and removed were first flagged by a machine, the majority of which
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were removed before a single view. second, we rely on experts to find videos where the algorithm might be missing. some are at our intel desk which look for new trends in content that may violate our policies. we also allow experts n.g.o.'s in government to notify us of bad content in bulk through our tester finder program. we reserve the final decision on whether to remove a video that gets flagged by any entity, but would benefit immensely from their expertise. we go beyond enforcing our policies by creating programs to promote counter speech, and examples of this includes our creators forchange program, tackling extremism and hate by building empathy and acting as positive role models. in addition, the google jigsaw group has developed a method which uses targeted ads and youtube videos to disrupt online radicalization. it's important to note that hate speech removals can be particularly complex compared to other types of content.
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hate speech, because it often relies on spoken rather than visual cues, is sometimes harder to detect than other forms of terrorist propaganda. it is intensely content-specific and can be ontentious on whether it's political speech. over aggressive enforcement can also silent voices using the platform to make themselves heard on important issues. often in this space we have found content can fit in a gray area that comes against the line. it may be offensive but it does not violate policies against incitement of violence and hate speech. when this occurs we build a policy to reduce the videos visibility by making to ineligible for ads, excluding it from our recommendation system. in particular, we understand the issues around youtube's recommendations that may be top of mind. we updated our recommendation systems to reduce recommendations of even more borderline content or content hat can be misinformful --
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informful -- misinform in harmful ways. google builds its products for all users from all political stripes around the globe. the long-term success of our business is related to our ability to earn an main trust of users. we have a natural and long-term incentive to make sure our products work for users of all viewpoints. people will value these services only as they continue to trust them to work well and provide them with the most relevant and useful information. that is why hate speech has no place on youtube. we believe we have developed a responsible approach to address complex issues that manifest on our platform. thank you for the opportunity o outline our efforts.
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mr. klein: thank you, members f the committee. sometimes i have tourette's syndrome, and sometimes i have ticks that i can't control so please forgive me. the zionist organization of america promotes work to perm -- to protect jews from anti-semitism and violence. s a child of holocaust survivors, i was born in a camp in germany and grew up without the loving presence of most of my grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins whom the nazis murdered. a front-page article in the new york times friday says biases are shared left and right. and islam. we should keep that in mind. the tree of life synagogue murderer was a neo-nazi and hated white president trump for t being anti-semitic and a kike infestation. the new zealand mosque shooter
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praised communist china as a , quote, nation with the closest political values to my own." most of us treat white supremacist as horrifying. history reminds us that we annot write neo-nazism off. this plethora of sites fomenting hatred and violence against jews and blacks, lgbtq, women, feminists and muslims, we need to determine who is funding and is behind this. the fbi reports jews are the victims of 60% of the liberal -- of the religious hate crimes in america. jew hatred is the canary in the coal mine. muslim anti-semitism is strengthened by institutional support and is becoming mainstream. let's look at college campuses.
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during the decades z elway has combated campus anti-semitism, we have not seen a single complaint from neo-nazis and white supremacist. by contrast we received hundreds of calls by students by anti-semitism committed by the anti-muslim ate group. the 's letter to city -- letter to z.o.a. university we documented these rallies it's common for demonstrators to call for the elimination of israel, jews are racists, jews are racist sons of bitches -- forgive me, when we take control of this campus we are going to kick you out and make sure you don't graduate. get out of america. long live the intifada. last week anti-semitic group as jp's -- as jp submitted a flyer.
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that looked like from a nazi propaganda cartoon. thealmost 2600 incidents confirm database as jp and its allies are the perpetrators of most incidents on u.s. college campuses. unfortunately, that important incident perpetrated by leftist groups are not satisfactory resolved. let's look at the statistics. a.d.l.'s worldwide survey of 100 countries found that 49% of muslims harbor anti-semitic attitudes. this is a chart of that. you see the non-muslims. it's far less. this is a painful fact that adl has studied. it is more than double the anti-semitism of persons of other faiths. a.d.l. data shows in the u.s. 34% of muslims, according to a.d.l., exhibit a high degree of anti-semitism versus 14% of the general population. levels of anti-semitism in the middle east raise from 74% to 93%. in a recent conference on anti-semitism, a speaker said 20 years ago the major problem
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of anti-semitism to the far right. it's flipped. it's the left and radical muslims. there is institutional support for anti-semitism by leading imams. the west point of islamic highly c trains imams, a influential treatise said gentle persuasion can do no good with jews so use force with them. treat them in the way you see them as effective and rid them of their evil. at sermons they have said, we have to commit genocide against jews in order to usher in the messonic day of judgment. at mosques in new jersey, north carolina, california and texas, imams have made the same speech f genocide against jews. can you imagine if rabbis were called to murder priests or called to murder muslims?
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we would demand they be fired. they weren't. a well-known somali, former muslim, said, i confess that if you are jewish, i want to apologize. when my half-sister showed me erratic verses to support her hatred of jews, i also hated jews, i'm ashamed of my prejudice against you in the past. as ejips president sisi said at a university, we need a religious revolution, you imams are responsible for allah. the entire world is waiting. let's speak frankly. if we want to stop hate and institutions from -- i don't know how much time i have. mr. nadler: you are 40 seconds over. another 30 seconds. mr. klein: with the outbursts. i have very important to say. as a child of holocaust survivors i was was horrified
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to see speaker pelosi defend congresswoman omar. after her vicious anti-semitic remarks. mr. nadler: the gentleman's time has expired. ms. owens. mr. klein: that was unfair. mr. nadler: it was not unfair. you had plenty of extra time. mr. klein: no, i did not. ms. owens: mr. chairman, ranking member, mr. collins, thank you for having me here today. i received word on my way in that many journalists were confused as to why i was invited. none of them knew i myself was a victim of a hate crime and -- when i was in high school. that's something very few people know about me because the media and journalists, the left are not interested in telling the truth about me because i don't fit the stereotype of what they like to see in black people. i'm democrat. i support the president of the united states. i advocate for things that are actually affecting the black community. i'm honored to be here today in front of you all because the person sitting behind me is my 75-year-old grandfather. i considered myself to be my grandfather's child. my sense of how manyor, my passion, my work ethic all
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comes from the man sitting behind me. my grandfather grew up on a share cropping farm in a segregated south. you grew up where words like racism and white nationalism held real meaning under the democrat jim crow laws. his first job was at 5 years old and it was to lay tobacco out to dry in an attic in the south. my grandfather has picked cotton and he has also had experiences with the democrat terrorist organization of that time, the ku klux klan. regularly visit their home and shoot bullets into it. they had an issue with his father, my great-grandfather. during my formative use yeers i had the privilege of growing up in my grandfather's home. it will shock the committee but not once, in in a single breath of a conversation did my grandfather tell me i couldn't do something because of my skin color or held a gripe against the white man. i was simply never talked to view myself as a victim because of my heritage.
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i learned about faith in god, family, hard work. those were the only lessons of my childhood. there isn't a single adult today that in good conscience would make the argument that america is a more racist or more white nationalistic society than it was when my grandfather was growing up and yet we're hearing these terms centered around today because what they want to say is that brown people need to be scared which seems to be the narrative we hear every four years right ahead of a presidential election. here are some things we never here. 75% of the black boys in california don't meet state reading standards. in inner cities like baltimore, within five high schools and one middle school, not a single student was found to be proficient in math or reading in 2016. the single mother rate in the black community, which is at 23% in the 1960's when my grandfather was coming up, is at a staggering 74% today. i am guessing will thereby no committee hearings today. there are more black babies aborted than born alive in
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cities like new york, and you have democrat governor andrew cuomo lighting up buildings to celebrate late-term abortions. i could go on and on. my point is that white nationalism does not do any of those things that i just brought up. democrat policies did. let me be clear. the human today is not about white nationalism or hate crimes. it's about fear mongering, power, and control. it's a preview of a democrat 2020 election strategy, same as the democrat 2016 election strategy. they blame facebook. they blame google. they blame twitter. really, they blame the birth of social media which disrupted their monopoly. they called this hearing because they believe if it wasn't for social media, voices like mine would never exist. that my movement, blexit, which has been inspiring black americans to leave the democrat party, would never come about or never believe that donald trump would be in office today. looking at the next thing to focus on, the russian collusion hoax, has fallen apart.
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what they won't tell you about this statistics and the rise of white nationalism is they simply changed the data set points by widening the definition of hate crimes and upping the number of reporting agencies that are able to report on them. what i mean to say, they're manipulating statistics. the goal here is to scare blacks, hispanics, gays and muslims into helping them center -- helping them censor dissenting opinions, ultimately helping them regain control of our country's narrative which they feel they lost. they feel that president donald trump should not have beat hillary. if they actually were concerned about white nationalism, they would be holding hearings on a far left violent white gang who determined one day in philadelphia in august that i, a black woman, was not fit to sit in a restaurant. they chased me out. they yelled race traitor to a group of black and hispanic police officers who formed a line to protect them from their ongoing insults. they threw water at me and eggs at me and the leftist media
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remained silent about it. if they were serious about the rise of hate crimes, they may be perhaps examining themselves and the hate they have drummed up in this country. bottom line, is that white supremacy, racism, white nationalism, words that once held real meaning, have now become nothing more than election strategies every four years, the black community is offered handouts and fear. handouts and fear. reparations and white nationalism, this is the democrats' preview. of course, society is not perfect. we heard testimony of that today. there are pockets of evil that exist and those things are horrible and they should be condemned. but i believe the legacy and the ancestry of black americans is being insulted every single day. i will not pretend to be a victim in this country. i know that makes many people on the left uncomfortable. i want to talk about real issues in black america. i want to talk about real issues in this country and real concerns. the biggest scandal -- this is my last sentence -- in american politics is democrats have been
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conning minorities to believe we are perpetual victims all but ensuring our failure, racial division and class warfare are central to the democrat party platform. blacks to hate whites, rich to hate the poor. soon enough it will be the tall hating the shore. mr. nadler: the time of the witness has expired. ms. clarke. ms. clarke: chairman nadler, ranking member collins, members of the committee, i am -- tive director of the director for the lawyers committee under civil rights under law. thank you for the opportunity to testify during this critical hearing, which is about real issues that are truly a life-and-death matter for far too many. the lawyers committee is the national civil rights and racial justice organization
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created at request of john f. kennedy, and for 65 years we have stood on the front lines of the fight for justice. we read one of the most robust anti-hate and anti-extremism projects in the nation. from connecting real survivors on our 8449-no-hate hotline to training law enforcement and prosecutors, pushing reform in the tech sector and using the courts to hold violent white supremacists accountable, we work to confront hate every day. we know that hate crimes are not new, and we carry out this work with sensitivity to our nation's dark and sordid history of racial violence. african americans in particular have experienced generation of -- generations of racial terror. between 1882 and 1968, there were over 4,700 lynchings in the u.s. and the majority of the victims were black. and since the fbi began publishing data on hate crimes in 1995, african-americans remain the single group most frequently targeted for ate.
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how are we fighting back? we successfully disrupted online platforms that promote hate and racial violence, shutting down and obstructing some of the largest hate sites online. we advocated for facebook to abandon its ill-conceived policy under which they banned white supremacist activity, but permitted white nationalists and white separatist activity. because we know these racists ideologies are indistinguishable and equally dangerous. we're working with and pushing the tech sector to reform their policies to ensure they're not roviding a breeding ground for violent white supremacists, and partnered with the national association of the chief of police to strengthen law enforcement responses to hate as well. and we are holding white supremacists accountable through the court. last year, we filed suit on behalf of a young african-american woman elected to serve as student president on her campus at american
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university. following her election, she was subject to racist trolling. she was doxxed, with all of her personal information published online. bananas and nooses were hung on campus and messages described her as a gorilla. we secured a strong settlement last december with one of the defendants, but we can't do this work alone. we need our government to do its part. but today's national climate only fuels the fire. from the use of a racist exme expletive to describe african and caribbean nations and much more, this administration's policies and rhetoric promotes animosity between black and brown communities. we also see the f.b.i. diverting resources to vestigate black identity racism, all for hate. it is not a surprise we are seeing an increase in hate crimes today. whites of premises movements are tearing away at the fabric of our nation.
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and without question, they are using online platforms to recruit new members, activate followers, target communities, organize rallies, stream their murders, and incite iolence. instead of hiding under hoods, they now organized behind computer screens. they have sought to rebrand themselves, trying to employ new label to become more palatable to broader audiences. but regardless of what you call em -- the alt-right, the they'll the k.k.k., pose the same threat today. what must we do now? as we continue to use aggressive lawyering strategies to move towards a society that is true to its democratic ideals, we call on all communities to help tear down the structure that facilitates violent white supremacy in our country. the banks that facilitate commercial transactions, the tech companies that provide
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open platforms, the web hosts that prop up these sites are all part of an infrastructure that feeds hate that must be dismantled. ongress must study and consider new laws for combating this online threat and the federal government must abandon policies that fuel hate. at the lawyers committee, we are inspired by the strength and courage of survivors, and we will continue to fight for a world in which no one is enforced to endure such immeasurable pain. thank you. mr. nadler: thank you. i'll begin the questioning by yielding myself five minutes. ms. hershenov, are we or anybody else manipulating statistics to increase the apparent prevalence of white nationalists hate crimes, as was stated by one of the witnesses? ms. hershenov: no, mr. chairman. the adl is data-driven, and we have defined and in the reports
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amended to you, we go through details of white ring -- right-wing extremism. right-wing extremism last year as responsible for all but one of the 50 domestic extremist murderers. e have submitted details about that, so that is 98%, 78% white supremacy. one of the witness is talked about the global attitudes that e look at. that is nonviolence, looking at attitudes, and the adl does track that. we feel it is incumbent for marginalized communities to have bigotry within them. it is incumbent first for members of those communities to call it out. there are members of the jewish community that are bigoted, my are islama phobic, and community needs to call that out. but we are data-driven. if you look at these trends, we have the fbi with 17% increase in hate crimes overall.
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we have the third-largest, the third highest year last year of muslims, anti-muslim hate crime. e have, as ms. paterson and others said, a huge increase in race driven crimes and incidents. this is the data that is there, and the report that we released oday shows that there was an increase, a doubling -- 100% doubling of anti-semitic slurs and content on the channels that the murderer bowers in pittsburgh, and the murderer in new zealand looked at and gab and 8chan, and a huge increase in racism since the 2016 election. i am not saying anyone a person -- i'm not saying any one person or elected official cause that, but there are core lears there that we need to understand and we need to look at. we need to look at the data.
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mr. nadler: thank you. ms. clarke, white supremacist violence is on the rise. a 2017 report by the government accountability office found that violence on the far right has actually accounted for 73% of deadly attacks since 9/11. last week, the fbi urged that white supremacy is "a persistent and pervasive threat." yet, the administration's response has been to rescind grants and ask congress to eliminate d.o.j.'s community relations service dedicated to hate crimes and which is dedicated to preventing hate crimes and combating racial tension and d.o.j. has prosecuted hate crimes at a 20% decrease, despite acknowledging the rise in such crimes. what can your organization -- what is your organization doing to ensure there's an appropriate enforcement against these types of hate crimes? ms. clarke: i was a former federal prosecutor in the justice department civil rights division prosecuting hate crimes and i know this justice department has unique tools in
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its arsenal and the expertise to do more to combat hate crimes. they should be stepping in and providing support to local law enforcement around the country when these hate incidents happened. there are churches burning in louisiana. we need the government to step up and do more. we need the f.b.i. to do a better job incentivizing local law enforcement agencies to turn over the data so we can capture the hot spots where hate crimes are happening around the country. finally, we need to see this justice department using its bully pulpit more often to condemn hate when it happens. as a civil rights organization, we're deeply disturbed by the justice department and this attorney general and prior a.g.'s prior to him, we're disturbed by their deafening face of hate
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incidents that we have seen across the country. we are going to continue to bring pressure there to ensure that they do more and encourage congress to use its oversight authority here as well. the final thing i will note is that we are deeply concerned about the fbi's black identity extremist designation. this is mere distraction from the very real threat from white supremacy that we face today. mr. nadler: why is that a distraction? why is that a distraction? ms. clarke: because it's not real. it's not a real threat. it hearkens back to the dark days of our federal government abusing its power to go after civil rights activists during the hay day of the civil rights movement. -- heyday of the civil rights movement. there is no such thing as black identity extremism. again, this is mere distraction. to take the public's attention and the government resources away from white supremacy and white nationalism, which are the real threats we are up against today. mr. nadler: thank you very much. my time has expired. the gentleman from georgia, mr. collins. mr. collins: thank you, mr. chairman. mr. potts, i have a -- just curious, where were you at in
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iraq? mr. potts: i was with general mattis. and we were ad retrograde it out and pulled back to go to law chool. senator collins: i just wondered if we traveled on the same lands. i think it is interesting points made by all. anybody who traffics in hate is bad and wrong and needs to be called out and needs to stop. i don't care what side you're on, left, right, in the middle, and get back to the issues we're dealing with every day. and much of this has to do with the fact there is a desire for publicity. there is the 15 minutes of fame issue here of those who are evil enough to go and do this. we saw a livestream of some of this as the technology has progressed. this is something i'm curious because in your written testimony you talked about the ability eos and the
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to recognize, splice, or edthed content. -- edited content. where are we heading to cut this off earlier with ai -- it is important, but also there is a human element to this as well, which leads into other issues not in this hearing that i am sure will come up at other hearings. i want you to say more on that issue right now. mr. potts: thank you, ranking member. that's a great question. as we try to combat any type of hate, terrorism, hate organizations, or hate speech to some level, we try to combat that through a three-pronged approach. we look at those three prongs would be the product, people, and our partnerships. the product is the ai. we have made significant investments in artificial intelligence to try to detect this type of content before it is seen or reported so we can act more swiftly to remove it. we have made significant progress. there is a lot of room to go, but investment over the next few years going forward i think we can still see great moves to -- gains to be made. second is the people. at facebook we have over 30,000
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people now focused on safety and security, subject matter experts, former prosecutors, law enforcement officers, former intelligence officers, like myself. ground intelligence officer. others that write the policies and help with the process. we have content moderators and of course, the engineers that write the code for the ai. the third prong and a very important prong is what we do with our partnerships. we work throughout industry and colleagues at google, microsoft, elsewhere on things like the golden internet forum for counterterrorism. when we were able to share, ms. walden spoke of digital fingerprints. we share videos. we also work with many external civil society ngos, and the ack demeanorics to get ahead of trends and government as well. senator collins: i appreciate that. i think one of the concerns we come into, when you said hate speech, what is the definition of hate speech in regards to the person, a human ctually translating?
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for some, it might be someone who is pro-life, it might be something. but when we come to the nationalist issue, i think we are addressing it. you made a statement at the very beginning on why you were here, and i think the victim of -- if you heard your story and you told it so many times, but if you would share how that has affected your view as you go forward in the issues you're wanting to address today. >> when i was speaking about different classifications of ate crimes, which has actually increase and impacts statistics, when i was in high school, i received a slew of messages from the democrat governor of connecticut's son, mr. daniel malloy, and at the time he was the mayor of stanford. his son, along with three other boys, referred to me as the n-word, threatened to tar and feather my family and put a bullet in the back of my head like they did to martin luther king. it's a story not often spoken about, because the media has no
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interest in telling the truth about how it has formed my views towards conservatism. the media turned it into a firestorm and it became a political tool for people to gained power. the naacp used me. cameras outside of school. they survive because they can't have the problem fixed. the naacp never wants racism to go away. bottom line, all i was looking for was an apology. the youngest person in that car was 14 years old. and i understand that human beings can make mistakes and do stupid things, but we are not in a society anymore where an apology is good enough, and we are obsessed with labeling people as racist, as they did to those young boys, and it simultaneously impacted me as a victim. it is not fun to be a victim, and i'm adamantly against victimhood. i speak out to the black community about how it ultimately harms us. senator collins: and i appreciate it and appreciate
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you sharing that. if we go forward -- all of us here need to be heard. this is exactly what we are advocating. the more we hear, the more we can -- we might disagree or agree. i thank you for being part of it. yield back. mr. nadler: the gentlelady from texas, ms. jackson lee. ms. jackson lee: mr. chairman and ranking member, let me thank you so very much for this hearing. let me acknowledge each and every one of the witnesses. your viewpoints are crucial to us. we are factfinders with our own personal emotions, but we are grateful for your testimony. i want to -- my time is short, so forgive me if i pointedly ask for abbreviated answers. let me say that coming from texas, i must take note of jane barrett. as a member of the united states congress and this
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committee, provoked and generated the original hate crimes that were passed in the 1990's or early 2000's. jane barrett was dragged through the streets of jasper, texas. decapitated. african-american male, minding his own business in the late evening, i think he was found by either two or three white males. and that was almost 20 years ago. i give to his family my deepest sympathy as well as i give to our courageous witness who has come to speak of his children crime. r a horrific today i want to say i abhor racism and stereotypes of african-americans, abhor anti-semitism. i abhor anti-muslim views, anti-immigrant views, anti-asian ews,
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and latino, and any other hatred, religion or otherwise, that plagues this nation. let me ask the representative from adl. first of all, is hatred or is acism a reality? >> absolutely, congresswoman. ms. jackson lee: and is the major target of white nationalists african-americans? >> yes. the core ideology of white nationalists, which is a euphemism for white supremacists, the core ideology is a belief in the imminent extinction of the white race because of a flood of nonwhite people and other people they feel are degenerate or orchestrated, puppeteer by jews. ms. jackson lee: may i continue abu sal had a, --
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abu-salha and my brief question to you and your family, did you teach your children, your daughter's hatred? ms. owens: -- -- abu-sa mr. abu-salha: absolutely not, congresswoman. i actually taught my children our faith every sunday afternoon for three and a half years. that is why they were all loving and caring and cooking and distributing food downtown to non-muslim people. i also sit on the board of my mosque, and we definitely make sure that anybody. ms. jackson lee: but by the very act of being muslim, you are not filling the children in the mosque with hatefulness? mr. abu-salha: no. ms. jackson lee: forgive me for my time. you had a very provocative opening. there was some reference to reparations. i introduced h.r. 40, which i take seriously, to study the heinousness of slavery.
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mr. thoms jefferson's assessment of slaves, can you say that again for the record? >> intellectually inferior, we are unattractive physically, and let me find the last horrible thing he said -- there is no tenderness in our ove. we know what thomas jefferson was doing on the side, so these statements are frank. ms. jackson lee: you think thesecarried forward into the themes have century? ms. paterson: absolutely. many people really hate us. my organization has a weekly newsletter called this week and white supremacy, and we have 40 different items of people saying hateful things, that we are monkeys -- it is pretty bad. i do think racism is going down, but it is bad. ms. jackson lee: i would like mr. thompson and ms. walden answer this quickly. ms. clarke, what the doj must do and what we must do, but to both mr. potts and ms. clarke
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sorry -- den, i'm impressions about generally how folks in media companies like facebook can take down hate speech and likewise google, so i can give for these two seconds. mr. potts: thank you, congresswoman. again, there is no place for hate or violence on facebook. we act quickly through our ai and human reviewers went violence violates our community standards. anything tied to violence we will remove that swiftly. ms. walden we also use a ombination of a.i. and human content to remove it. in addition to google, we promote counter speech on the platform. ms. clarke: the justice department must come to the aid of local law enforcement. they themselves should be bringing more cases than -- and holding the perpetrators of these crimes accountable. the fbi should abandon its black identity extremist designation come and use its bully pulpit to speak out against the hate across the across the country and incentivize better data
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collection from local law enforcement as well. mr. nadler: the time of the gentlelady has expired. ms. jackson lee: burning churches, thank you. mr. nadler: the time of the gentlelady has expired. the gentleman from ohio, mr. chabot. mr. chabot: thank you, mr. chairman. stating o state by clearly and unequivocally that i reject white supremacy in all forms of hate. i am quite sure my colleagues on this side of the dais sure -- share that point of view. in fact, i am quite confident that my colleagues on the other side of the dais do as well. ms.oens, let me begin with you, if i can. i think it's fair to say you didn't start off on the conservative side of the ledger, is that correct? ms. owens: that's correct. i was a liberal. mr. chabot: ok. a couple of issues, you mentioned them in your tatement -- to go back to them -- if you could tell us again what they are and what hatred have you experienced as a result of having this point of view? you mentioned the term blexit. would you describe what that is and what hate you've
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experienced as a result of your position on that? ms. owens: i launched a movement called the black exit from the democrat party. when i became educated about the issues and stopped reacting emotionally which is what the left wants us to do, presumably, when they hold pictures of burning churches, i began to examine the facts and look at some of the narratives they were spinning. for example, in 2016, it was police brutality. and i realized they are dissuading us against our own best interests. and i wanted to have a more productive dialogue with the black community about the issues that are actually affecting us and impacting us. when i announced i was a conservative, i have never seen anything more racist, more disgusted, more hate that's come my entire life. democrats and the media say about me today, i have been referred to as an uncle tom, a bed weverage. it means a slave that sleeps ith the master, a house nig, nigger. they need to become educated by
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our history in the midst of things like the southern switch and southern strategy which never happened. mr. chabot: you mentioned, i think -- well, let me ask you his on the life issue. you're pro-life? ms.oens: that's correct. i started off pro-choice. mr. chabot: what hate do you get? ms.oens: that hate tends to come from the majority of caucasian democrats and when i start telling the truth about the fact that the community that's the most impacted by abortion is the black community, 800 to 900 black babies are aborted every single day, that amounts to about 18 million black babies aborted since 1973. and the black population has stagnated. we are not -- our population growth has stagnated completely. these are the kinds of logical discussions i had that earned me all the titles we discussed before. mr. chabot: i got a whole bunch more questions. but thank you for your time. i'd like to turn to mr. klein, if i could, for a couple minutes. mr. klein, when you were giving
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your opening statement, you got interrupted. i'd like to -- what were you going to say? i am not blaming the chair because it was over time. there are several witnesses that did it. it's tough being chair sometimes. what were you going to say? what was your point? you can turn the mic on there. mr. klein: i was going to make two important points that was very painful to me that in light of the vicious anti-semitic remarks made by representative omar and others that no one in that party, many in that party defended her saying she's not an anti-semite and there was no consequences. she was not thrown off of any committee as steven king was for his outrageous remarks. and i was going to simply end by saying, we need to investigate the students for justice in palestine and b.d.s. power connections. we need to demand university leaders, condemn hate crimes by name. they say we are against anti-semitism. we must demand colleges must suspend and expel students who
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would commit these terrible actions against jewish people and that title 6 should be invoked and they should lose federal funding if they don't do the right things when it comes to the anti-semitic bigotry. finally, we should be having consequences for members of congress who make hateful and outrageous comments against blacks, muslims, or jews and when it comes to jews, we have not seen that. mr. chabot: are there any -- you mentioned members of congress. there's a former member of congress, i understand, that made a comment about prime minister netanyahu recently. are you familiar with that? what is your understanding and what's your concern about that comment? mr. klein: that was beto owe rules committee who i believe ou are -- betoo rushing -- believe rourke who i you are talking about.
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who called him a racist and nothing could be more absurd than that. he was involved in helping ethiopian jews, blacks jews come to israel. he has actually had the most positive policies toward the israeli arabs of any prime minister we have ever had. this is a ridiculous statement. also, i might add, benjamin netanyahu has not built a single new community since he has been prime minister. none. it is not like he is building all over the place, which is attributed to him regularly. this comment was really outrageous and despicable, and i think it should almost disqualify him for higher office. mr. chabot: by him you're referring to? r. klein: beto o' rourke. mr. nadler: thank you. the gentleman from tennessee, mr. cohen. mr. cohen: firstly, i would like to mention that it was a fire just outside knoxville, about a week ago, 10 days ago, where highlander education research center was burned, burnt to the ground. highlander is a famous think tank for activists, for people against nonviolence, where dr. king went to be trained, where
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rosa parks went to be trained, where many people involved in the union movement have been trained. when they looked at the damages, they found a symbol of white nationalism on the grounds, painted on there, similar what was in new zealand, similar to what was seen in charlottesville, and i have written a letter to attorney general barr, asking him to look at the possible hate crimesnationalism exhibited or white there. i'd like to have that letter and pertinent attached stories about highlander and the wastika painted on the rocks of tennessee publicly, and i would like that entered in the record without objection. mr. nadler: without objection. ms. cohen: thank you, sir. ms. hershenov, ms. jackson lee asked you about white
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nationalism and the main folks that are against it, african americans are blacks. i am not competing in any way whatsoever, but isn't it a pretty close race between african-americans and jews for the hatred of white nationalists? ms. hershenov: you know, i agree with you, mr. cohen, that we shouldn't compete. these things are absolutely linked. you might start with some white supremacists on anti-semitism and you will get to anti-immigrant, refugees, muslims, african-americans, and advicea versa. and i think -- and vice versa. and i think, again, if you look at these ideologies and our researchers spend time -- we look through tens and some cases hundreds of millions of comments, images, and videos online. what you see on this is that there is a -- white supremacists used to want to keep dominance. after the civil rights era,
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they became more and more scared of the extinction of the white race. they called people who were lgbtq degenerate or sodomites excuse me -- i am just going to use the words we see over and over. they will call -- they will look at the genetic inferiority of people who are not white. they will demonize refugees and immigrants. they will look at muslims, and they say, again and again, who are the ones that orchestrate this? they are the jews. that is what bowers, the pittsburgh shooter, came in and said i don't want these hordes of immigrants and refugees, the jews are doing it. all jews must die. mr. cohen: let me ask you about the jews. i think mr. klein said something about islam and how many imams calling for certain actions, etc. in all of the crimes you have looked into and studied, have there been any where muslim terrorists have killed jews? ms. hershenov: in the last 10 years, about 23% of the extremist murderers
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domestically have been perpetrated by people who dhere to a radical interpretation, radical and violent interpretations of islam. however, the reason i understand we are having this particular panel, this particular hearing is that what we are seeing in the last three years, in particular, is a resurgence where most of the crimes are from right-wing extremists. mr. cohen: that's true. let me ask my question. my time is limited. do you have any record of people of the muslim faith going and doing terrorist acts, killing jews? ms. hershenov: yes, in some years before. mr. cohen: when? ms. hershenov: i believe there was a group a few years ago, a gentleman a few years ago who went and killed people who were not jewish, but he thought were jewish in a house. mr. cohen: was that in kansas city? the missouri deal? that was the j.c.c.? ms. hershenov: no. that wasn't a house. the recent j.c.c. ones were
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very troubled jewish israeli bomb threats. mr. cohen: there are not many cases. you cannot member when or where it was. ms. hershenov: there are not many cases in the u.s. recently. mr. cohen: ok. that's enough. we are running out of trying. if president trump came out after charlottesville and condemns neo-nazi's and klansmen, do you think it would have helped the atmosphere of people standing up and saying white nationalism is something bad? ms. hershenov: absolutely. the bully platform has to be used to tamp this down and to call out where we are seeing extremism. mr. cohen: when you say the bully platform, you are not talking about trump, but like teddy roosevelt. i understand that. the gentleman, mr. potts, let me ask you a question. twitter has an opportunity for people to report a tweet if they think is abuseful or harmful or hurtful, etc. does facebook have that ability and do they make it easy to do?
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mr. nadler: the gentleman's time has expired but the witness may answer the question. mr. potts: thank you, mr. chairman. we have a similar ability, it is fairly easy to use, and we use our services when we can. mr. cohen: thank you. i yield back the remainder of the time. mr. gohmert: remainder of the time. mr. nadler: the gentleman from texas, mr. gohmert. mr. gohmert: thank you. i do appreciate all the itnesses being here. i do think we all agree, i am not sure if we all agree we all agree, but i think we all agree -- no one should have to suffer like any of you have, your should. it is outrageous. in this effort of trying to bring people together and go back to the words of abraham lincoln -- at least it is attributed -- if you look for the bad in people expecting to find it, you most certainly
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will. it is also true that you look for the good in people. you will certainly find something. i want to ask mr. klein, what are your thoughts about president trump's remarks regarding the charlottesville demonstration, where he is quoted as saying "you also had some very fine people on both sides." >> i'm glad you asked that, because the media has distorted the truth of that episode. what he meant, and he said so when he said it, they are fine people who want to get rid of the robert e. lee e lee statue and find people who are not haters who believe for historical reasons they want to keep that statue. he made that clear. in the same breath, mr. gomhert. in the same breath, is to trump said quote " i am not talking about the white supremacists and say fine when i people, because they should be condemned totally. the media has never made that clear, that in that statement, he condemned neo-nazis and white nationalists.
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he did not mean they were fine people, quite the contrary. he was disgusted by them. >> i look forward to the day when martin luther king jr.'s dream is a reality, where we judge people by the content of their character and not the color of their skin. but i am amazed how many times when there is an objection to something someone says, that if the person making the objectionable comment happens to be black or jewish, then you are a racist, you are an anti-semite. i am amazed, mr. klein, the anti-defamation league has called you, as i understand, a jewish person to be anti-jewish is interesting. mr. potts -- i certainly appreciate your noble service to our country -- facebook owns instagram, correct?
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>> yes, they do. >> does instagram have the same standards as facebook? >> for the most part, we apply our community standards across the board. >> i am told i can have this screenshot at the back -- reporters are threatened with violence, and it talks about photos, videos, extreme graphic -- and the second screenshot, if i could see the, here you have someone that is calling for crushing the united states under our feet, etc. that was reported within a minute and the report came back that there is no problem here, basically. these aren't about drones in your looking for, move on.
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so i am curious, if you are going to enforce these standards, why are they so quickly enforced and erroneously enforced against people like my friends diamond and silk? i asked them recently when i saw them, are you still having trouble with facebook? they said, now, anytime we say something nice about donald trump, we spend forever just trying to prove that we are not a russian robot. they send us through all kinds of things just to keep using the service. here you have people who, as a result of their misunderstanding with their own religion, they want to crush the united states. they think of us as the big satan. i would just encourage you to take a look at that. or someone who wants to destroy the united states and kill everyone in this room gets a pass when others don't.
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i would welcome any explanation you can find for that. >> thank you, congressman. >> i am not familiar with that exact example -- it does go against our principles. >> i understand. my time is expired. >> thank you, mr. chairman. white nationalists have used misinformation propaganda to radicalize social media users. how is youtube working to stop the spread of far right intent on skewing users perception?
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>> congressman, thank you for the question. ast recently we have made recommendation algorithm so that content is not pushed out through our recommendation system. so content that violates our guidelines which prohibit anything that promotes and invites violence against individuals or groups or promotes violence against individuals or groups based on the correct to restrict including race, gender, ethnicity or religion, that is a violation of our community guidelines. so we do our best to ensure that content is not fully distributed across the platform. >> thank you. tole facebook has stopped work the -- has worked to stop
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the spread of the new zealand video, three days later, the video was still riding freely on facebook's encrypted messaging service. way it not have a of tracking or stuff in the spread of videos? what is facebook doing to prevent whatsapp from being used to spread hate speech? >> thank you, congressman. mentioned, on facebook and instagram, we took immediate action of the video, we were able to remove it within 10 minutes and leverage our artificial intelligence by uploading the video and prevent an additional 5 million uploads and then we found additional 300,000 uploads in the first 24 hours at the very swift response.
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one of the issues in this case was that there were many variants of the video. but we continue to improve the database. in many cases, blocked. your question about whatsapp, whatsapp hasn't -- it has its own policies.
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theories and hate based information. how is facebook working to mitigate the facts that amplified misinformation campaigns and trending on the platform quick. >> thank you. we have recently passed our behavior policy to get to the root of the cause to see these people working in concert to see their intentions and over the course of the last year to take to multiple networks and arranging globally and then to invest in that work work is a priority. >> thank you. my deepest condolences to you on the loss of your 3 children. >> thank you sir. >> does islam teach muslims to hate jewish people? >> absolutely not. mainstream muslim prohibits -- and i am a practicing muslim, prohibits hating anybody of another religion, ethnicity, faith for nationality. in the koran it states that killing any human being is actually killing humanity and reviving a soul is considered reviving humanity. i have to tell you that in the middle east, where i come from,
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muslims, christians and jews lived is fully together for century after century, only interrupted by politics at times, or invasions and divisions. what you hear in the media is sometimes radical muslims, and we in america, our mosques are growing and evolving to where we have a process of choosing and electing our board members at the mosques, and we have a policy to keep radical muslim outside of our mosque in our country, too. >> thank you. i will note the tender way in and theth mr. patterson others touched you as you are sharing your pain about the loss of your three children. my heart goes out to our nation for the pain that it has rampantvely due to
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violence based on hate. without, your back. >> if i could add one line, after the tragedy, the funeral is about thousands of people of black, white, jewish, christian, nondenominational. even the atheist community denounced the crime. it wasn't seen -- it was something that was american, actually. >> thank you. i went to announce, we have received a number of statements that will be included in the hearing record. read all they to names of the organizations, they are numerous, but they include kh coalition, the simon wiesenthal center, and i ask that all the statements we have received be included in the record. i would also like to enter into the record a letter to the committee from the naacp
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requesting that we conduct this year and the first place. again, without objection. the gentleman from colorado. >> thank you mister chairman. miss owens, i will direct to these questions to you. i do know if you have seen this, is a memorandum that the majority of democrats prepare for committee members. in this memorandum, they go through the various witness names and organizations that they represent, the anti-defamation league, it was just a society, the lawyers committee for civil rights under law, and then we get to you, my goodness, candice owens, director of communications at the conservative -- nobody else's described as conservative or liberal, but you are a conservative group, turning point usa, conservative commentator and political activist known for her criticism of black lives matter and the democratic party. i think you have caused my friends on the left to go to
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their safe spaces. i would love to explore with you a little bit the reason for that. do you consider yourself a conservative? >> i am a conservative, yes. >> are you pro-life? >> i am pro-life. >> does that sugar people when the dust does that trigger people? >> it makes them upset, democrats hate me. >> do you own a gun? >> no. >> next time you come to colorado, we will take you shooting. >> are you christian? >> yes i am. >> are you proud of your family? >> i am. >> do you love. >> african-americans with black skin color? >> yes i do. i am willing to fall on my sward and be abused for them. >> do you hate hispanics? >> i do not. >> do you hate asians? >> i do not. gays,you hate lesbians,
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anybody from the lgbtq community? >> know, i have all of that in my family. >> i am baffled because in the chairman's opening statement, he said you openly associate with purveyors of hate. >> purveyors of hate by his definition is anybody who supports the president. >> i support the president because he has done a tremendous job of supporting the community despite all the rhetoric from the media and the leftist. >> tell me how he has helped to the black community. >> he has lowered the black unemployment rate. he is getting us on our feet. the last number i checked was 3.5 million people are often stamps, something that the black caucus sat down and did not applaud, neither did the democrats, because they want a system where blacks are dependent on government, putting in place a policy that broke down the black family. the biggest problem facing our community is father absence. -- every time i see the president, he talks
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about issues. he doesn't use alexandria ocasio accent. southern drawl he just asks, black america, what do you have to lose? because we are are due losing under democratic leadership. >> do you think you openly associate with purveyors of hate? >> absolutely not. >> do you believe college campuses should be open to discussions on various issues? >> i absolutely do. >> i do a compass to our. i'm flying to the university of connecticut to continue this discussion. we are met with three leftist groups. the antifa chapter has or that they will try to shut it down. >> i was going to ask you, you explained it before i got a chance to, but have you ever been disinvited from a speech opportunity at college campuses because of your conservative views? >> all the time. >> is that a form of hatred comedy think? >> of course, it is. >> we do not talk enough about
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political hatred, about conservative commentators being attacked, like myself. >> we had a student whose dorm was set on fire because of being a member of a chapter. >> capitalism is a means of lifting people out of poverty. but people do not have to be democrats. we are not owned by the left. and i understand that causes trouble. >> as a conservative, you attend many conservative events and visit with many conservatives. i am not denying for a moment that there are white supremacist, and we should condemn them, or not these, that we should condemn them. but there are hateful groups all across the political spectrum and we should condemn those. in your interactions with conservatives, have you seen ,ateful speech, bigotry, racism among the conservatives you associated with? >> i speak in front of conservatives probably three times a week. i jump on a stage and say everything pro-black. and they are so supportive and
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applaud all they want is for black people to realize that they are americans first and foremost. conservatives are patriots. the president is a patriot. and there is no skin color in patriotism. >> thank god we have you, thank you very much for being here. >> thank you. chairman nadler: gentlelady from california is next. >> thank you very much, mr. chair. i want to thank all the witnesses here today. sam i offerh you my condolences along with everyone elsea, , and i sadly know your pain. i wanted to know if after the tragedy, if you have been received any threats or harassment, experiences of people harassing you for speaking out as a muslim? >> i personally did not, i did read an email last night that , butme of coming here
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after the tragedy, there was a three down, 1.6 billion to go. there was another tweet that said, he should be given a medal of honor and released. from custody. >> thank you, i am very sorry to hear that. mentionedtterson, you that you had some specific in termsations for us of regarding white supremacy, and i wanted to know if you could give us some examples of the recommendations. >> we'd like in national commission to be formed to study all forms of what supremacy. we think there should be a joint law enforcement civilian task force to study what nationalism and to outline a organized counterinsurgency strategy. we don't like the notion of the "lone wolf" narrative, we think
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there is an organized white nationalist group around the world that is being connected. they went to study them all. i am glad you brought facebook here to study the role of social media has played in enabling this threat. we need to develop a clearinghouse for data collection, reporting and analysis of white nationalism. we need to fortify the 15th amendment. we think there should be humane immigration policies. think we did to talk about right now, there are latino children in cages. we think this is a definite manifestation of white supremacy and white nationalism. >> thank you, very much. i think one of the first steps in addressing what supremacy is acknowledging the seriousness and the fact it exists at all. before our last election, we had for acts of domestic terrorism the week or two do before, and they were not called that, from
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the bombs that unfortunately did not go off, to the individual who was in search of african-americans to kill in kentucky, he tried to enter a church and he couldn't, so he .illed two random black folks the horrible massacre at the synagogue, then the shooting several days later at a yoga studio where someone was looking for us is typically women of color. but in that, we have the f.b.i. that is very concerned about black identity extremists. i just wondered, ms. clark, if you could tell me, how many acts of domestic terrorism were carried out by african-americans in the last few years? >> it is our view that this black identity extremists designation is false. this was something created by the f.b.i.'s domestic terrorism analyst unit to essentially
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target black activists today who are focused on issues like promoting police accountability. that not see any evidence black civil rights activists pose a threat to our democracy today. >> i know that there was a case in texas where there was a young man arrested and incarcerated for a while supposedly for being a black identity extremists. do you know of any other cases like that? >> i am not familiar of other pending do have a freedom of information act request that we sent to the f.b.i. several months ago and a few days ago received near acknowledgment of our request, we think it is time for us to shine a light on what is happening at the f.b.i., time for a stick get more information about the scope of their activities, who they are investigating, but most importantly it is important we find out why they are diverting resources from the real threat
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that drives the purpose of this hearing today, white supremacy and went nationalism -- white supremacy and white nationalism. much.nk you very i wanted to also acknowledge, when there was a threat, the threats that were made, president trump was asked about whether he sees white nationalism as a threat around the road today, and he responded he did not. about a small is group of people that have a lot of problems. i believe when you talk about the incidences of white supremacists terrorist acts in the united states, what was the percentage but it has risen? >> over the last ten years it was 54%, over half. last year it was 78% of extremist murderers. for my white supremacists. >> it's unfortunate that the president considers that insignificant and also unfortunate that after all these acts whether they've taken place in the united states or around
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the world, he cannot bring himself to have a full enunciation of white supremacy -- full-throated denunciation of white supremacy. thank you. thank you, gentlelady. before we go to the next witness, i want to read two paragraphs from the washington post story posted online. a congressional hearing to explorer white nationalism in social media quickly serves to illustrate the problems silicon valley faces after they began targeted oncks others on the basis of race and religion. live oning was streamed the video site owned by google, which is testifying tuesday. alongside the stream, a live chat featured from users, some of whom waited anti-semitic screams and argue that it is not a form of racism.
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etc.. so this just illustrates what of the problem that we are dealing with. >> could that be another hate hoax? just keeping an open mind? >> all i know is what i just read. the gentleman from arizona. >> thank you, mr. chairman. first of all, i ask unanimous consent to include a list of political violence promoted by leftist organizations. >> without objection. >> thank you. something that the jenna my from colorado was talking about, in the listing of the witnesses of the memo, there was something i have not seen in my brief time in congress or indeed in my many years of legislative service, and editorial comment about a witness. some might even consider that this not-so-subtle editorializing is in itself an
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animus. it is unfortunate, but it demonstrates how easy it is to let one's bias up year even in what is supposed to be an innocuous listing of witnesses. >> will the gentleman yield? sir.s, i will yield, >> i assume you're referring to what was written about candace owens, which says that she is director of communications at the conservative action group turning point you are saying commentator and political activist known for her criticism of black lives matter and the democratic party. i don't think she would quarrel with the accuracy of that. it is a simple statement of who she is. >> i am reclaiming my time. what i will say about this is you never ever see anybody characterized in any other list of witnesses. this is the first time i have ever seen that. other than stating what they represent or the group they are from. seemingly going beyond the bounds of what is the norm. that is an indication to me of
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how easy it is to demonstrate animus. means for a logical question of miss owens which she you go toy addressed, universities, you're going to go to yukon tonight, do you receive you?speech directed at >> all the time, and i really do feel that the media and the left has made it ok. i want to add that my biography, which i submitted, you reduced it to one sentence, calling me just a conservative activist, and it was not what i submitted to your office last night. i just think that you opened with anti-black bias, and is he is coming from the chairman today. owens, these efforts to shut you down when you speak publicly on issues that you care about, under the protection of the first amendment, are they peaceful? >> no, they are really scary. they threaten us online perpetually. i received threatening letters at home when the media trumps up
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narratives and pretends that i hit that people, gays or muslims, with no evidence any of those they are inviting for people to think it is ok to be violent towards me when they see me. they want to make it an act of virtue for people to be violent against lack conservatives who are outspoken -- black conservatives who are outspoken. does that have an actual hit crimes? >> it makes it harder for people to come forward. i do not see anybody condemning what jussie smollett did in terms of tearing us apart in this nation and causing a debate. we are left with dust the left was quick to believe him and put him on a platform with evidence. no it makes it harder for us to come together as a nation, which i think is what the president is trying to do, bring everybody together. >> ms. owens, are you. >> familiar with the case of the uc berkeley senator who was harassed because of a position
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she took? >> i am not. took the position of abstaining from a vote due to religious concerns and was ,arassed out of her position hate speech galore, all going towards her. so it isn't that there isn't hate speech, it is that we need .o condemn all the speech >> that is correct, i definitely agree that we need to condemn all hate speech. there is only one type of speech they like to give a platform to. there is a double standard in this country and i believe it is being felt in the most by the jewish comedy, lack conservatives, and christians -- black conservatives, and christians. >> thank you. the remember being gavel down by the chairman when she began speaking of the anti-semitic remarks by a member of congress?
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this, you on the have 12 seconds, i have 30 seconds left, so i will give you were promised and were denied. afterm deeply pained that a congressman from minnesota called israel it will, hypnotized the world, israel was an apartheid state, jews used your money to promote what they want from congress, that this woman was defended by leaders of her party, by at least three members of her party who were running for president. with no consequence of you she should have been removed from all of her committees and we steve king was. this unbelievable outburst of hatred toward jewish people, as a member of this very committee who publicly called jews termites, and there was no consequence to that outrageous statement. so this is really frightening to me especially as a child of holocaust survivors.
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if there was no consequence to this type of hate speech against jews, you're only going to get more of it. we are only going to embolden people. ultimately, hate speech transits of political violence. that has been true throughout history and that relief for ins me -- that really frightens me. [in not a bull] >> thank you, mr. chairman. thank you for your service to our country. u thank you for being here today. salh i cannot imagine your pain, but you're being here is important for this committee as we work to mature the government is doing everything it can to address hate crimes, to focus as
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we are this morning on the rise of white nationalism. i wanted to ask a couple of questions. was an episode of the new york times podcast, the daily, last year about the police officer who was shot by the theer that shocked by murder of heather heyer and was concerned because which is answer would be coming to the university of florida. he reviewed the website's videos online trying to prevent violence in gainesville and found a complete lack of intelligence reports on the alt-right from government sources. state police and f.b.i. did not have information for him. then you look at the story, that was focused on the justice department, then you look at the story from a week or so ago about the department of homeland security and the branch of analysis and the office of intelligence, focused on the threat from home-grown violent
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extremists and domestic tourists, sharing that information with state and local law enforcement, and that group -- that branch focused on domestic terrorism was eliminated and the analysts were reassigned, and with no explanation given as to why that was. the question i think was of thee get at is, organization tracks and reports on extremism. if you could tell us what you think the government in particular the justice department, the department of homeland security, can be doing more of in order to track and respond to these kinds of threats, and whether the kinds of reporting like the one that the new york times reported on i weekar, or the article a so ago accurately reflect
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sense that there is not enough attention? do, more can the government what should we be focused on? >> thank you. >> we are really concerned about the disbanding of that d.h.s. antiterrorism group, we think that d.h.s. place to coordinate with the d.o.j., the f.b.i. and disband that in an uncoordinated way in -- is not a good thing to do. that being said, we supported -- and we willt
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continue on that. is this disbanding i absolutely the wrong direction and is not paying attention to a rising threat. this government can do more than one thing. you don't have to stop paying attention to other threats by putting the necessary resources into this one. >> thank you. the others have talked about the -- ihat online hate speech would like to focus on a different direction and ask you, how white nationalist groups actually organize online, whether it is on existing platforms or on the dark web, and why is it we seem to throw our hands up and say, it is a dark web, and we can do nothing about it. why should that be the focus of our work, to go at the root of this? >> that is a terrific question.
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first of all, let's look at pittsburgh or new zealand. let me take a moment to clarify the new zealand shooter being a lefty terrorist because that, the new zealand shooter had ties to the old right and identity are in is in. his manifesto raged against white genocide and said, quote, we must crush immigration and deport those invaders already living on our soil. it's not a measure of our prosperity that the survival of our people and weapons and year were full of -- his weapons and gear were full of white supremacist images. so, apologies for saying that. can do, we what we see places, some of the smaller websites, that radicalized. what so many of these white extremist are, are lone wolves. there are not part of a paid group. they don't go out into their
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neighborhood like decades ago to find their local ku klux klan. they find communities and defend material. the recruit and they radicalize. if they are thrown off the bigger platforms, they go into smaller ones. so what i would say on the social media, you have to be it takingout whether stuff off the web where we can find a, would push things underground where neither law enforcement nor civil society radicalize.or there is a balancing out there that we have to do. may i say two more things mr.chairman? >> quickly. >> to the tech companies, i would say there is no definition of methodologies and measures of hate for the impact of the type of images, podcasts, we don't have enough information and they don't share the data in order to go against the radicalization and to counter it. we need better information in a more rigorous framework.
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>> mr. mclintock from california. >> listening to the testimony and the questions it strikes me perhaps both sides are losing a perspective of why we have a first amendment. it's because the freedom to speak our minds is absolutely essential to a free society. jefferson said error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is free to combat it. speech can be ugly, disgusting, hateful, prejudice and alarming, but it can never be dangerous to a free society as long as many -- men and women of good will have the freedom must to disputed, challenges and rejected. suppressing speech, even the most hate-filled speech doesn't diminish its influence. it strengthens it. churchill made the point very clearly when he said it is the very conflict of spiritual and
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moral ideas which gives the free countries a great part of their strength. dictators on their pedestal, surrounded by their soldiers and their police, yet in their hearts, there is unspoken fear. they are afraid of words and thoughts, words spoken abroad and thoughts stirring all the more powerful because forbidden, terrified them. a little mouse of thought enters the room and even the most mightiest are thrown into panic. he goes on to say state of , a society where men may not speak their minds and children denounced their parents to the police, where a shopkeeper ruins his competitor by telling tales about his private opinions, such a state of society cannot long endure if brought into contact with a healthy outside world. free societies don't punish words and thoughts, they punish deeds. and that is the reason for that is because words and thoughts
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can be countered by words and thoughts. that's why we have a first amendment. what we are seeing across the world today is that there is a slippery slope between banning hate speech and then a speech we just hate. we have seen many examples, even in her own country recently, of legitimate speech being suppressed on college campuses, social media platforms and even in public discourse. there is an ideology that we don't like. the weakest thing we can do is try to forbid it or suppress it. the strongest thing we can do is to use our own freedom of speech to compound it and defeat it on the best to confront it and defeat it on its merits. if we allow our society to become one where men and women may not speak their minds as churchill said, we will have lost the very quality that he said these countries a great part of their strength. as he said, these ideologies cannot and your when brought into contact with the outside
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world, but that in turn requires speech, protective our first amendment. now, we have made limited exceptions when each becomes explicit to do violence or falsely detained an individual's reputation but even in the case of defamation, the truth is always an absolute defense. what we're hearing now is something fundamentally different. government or corporate officials decide what speech is acceptable and what is not, and that is a very dangerous power that can quickly be abused. today a great deal of public discourse is conducted on social media and major platforms like google and facebook that are there today. we granted them legal immunity from the content of their platforms under the assumption they are providing a public square and that those who use it should be held accountable for their own statements. this is appropriate as long as they are not practicing any form
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of censorship or favoritism in censoring incite to violence we are discovering how there are practicing censorship in -- we are discovering, however, did they are indeed practicing censorship and political favoritism. but once they begin to practice censorship and political favoritism, they cease to be mutual and become publishers who are responsible for their content and subject to action for incitement or defamation. my question on the internet platforms here today, i do think you can be mutual. the question is, which are you? are you a neutral forum or are you an editorial publication responsible for your content? mr. potts,, mr. walden, what is it? is arst of all, facebook neutral company. a moderate content according to
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community standards. after hearing your discussion, think to give people the ability to have a voice on a platform and also to balance safety. r on the side of safety. we need to draw a line somewhere. the side of allowing more speech we want people to have a voice that we have to draw the line somewhere and around calls to violence. by not having that on the platform we give a platform to more people so they can share their voice so it is a constant tension that we wrestle with. my team wrestles with it all the time. we try to strike that balance. we know that there are many opinions and we want to be on the spectrum of ideas to have been fostered on the platform, again, it is a difficult situation. >> youtube is a place where we want anyone to come and share their ideas, diverse opinions about their politics, things
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that are even controversial film ,ur community guidelines youtube is a place where users are uploading content. so community guidelines are in place to ensure we are creating a place for users to upload their own content but also a place to ensure that that is happening free from hate, violence and harassment. >> the time of the gentleman has expired. legitimate from louisiana, mr. richmond. >> thank you mr. chairman. let me start by asking unanimous consent to place into the record a letter i wrote as the chair of the congressional black caucus june 17 of last year to the attorney general sessions and acting director mccabe, expressing your concern over the rising -- the alarming number of crimes, the rising hate crimes at all the other things in it.
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and asking this congress to hold the hearing. into the record because that was before tree of life. >> without objection. >> there was before charlottesville. so i want to thank you for stepping up to the plate and having this hearing. let me just say because we heard a pretty accurate description of the first amendment. intent to impugn any it, but i think there is one glaring omission, which is you don't get to yell hate in a crowded theater. just because you are upset with your station in life and sitting in your momma's basement in your boxers, you don't get to spew hate that you know will incite violence because you can hide behind anonymity.
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it was said that we are fear and the concern over white nationalism may be misplaced or even i think it was quoted as "stupid." i will just tell you that the nine,es of the emmanuel those were real funerals. those were real kids without real parents. those are real grandparents who were worshiping the lord and andted the young man in, let him share with them their worship experience. and according to the perpetrator , he said they were so nice, they were so welcoming, i almost changed my mind. to think about what
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we are talking about here. it is not just preach, we are talking about inciting violence. we are talking about finding and influencing week people to do deeds.dly the pain is very real. i am able opportunity and i am very honest about how i feel. we know words have consequences and we owe the american people better rhetoric. but my fear is that we can't have 1600 pennsylvania giving harbor and empowering people to feel that way, so with that since we have a white house that is probably giving safe harbor and condoning it, let me ask the tech companies because the wall did say that he would inform law enforcement when you find that
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-- he will inform law enforcement when you find bad users. the you to each other at all? if you identify somebody, will you then alert google and twitter and facebook and instead instagram, do you all coordinate at all? thank you, congressman. we do have a strong partnership . the case of new zealand, when we became aware of that, our first priority was to work with the zoo and, which we did. we sent some of our trust and safety officials on the ground to be a resource for law enforcement. one of the next steps we took was to upload the images into our a.i., designated as a terrorist attack, and then work microsoft,ies like
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twitter, google, snapchat and others, sharing that across the board so they could also be on the lookout. >> i can just reiterate that the goal of the internet platform of counterterrorism is founded in the context of new zealand, in to way that we use hashes ensure we are minimizing the content in new zealand. there have long been close partnerships between the companies working on issues around hate, violence, extremism and terrorism, and we find that we can learn from one another in the ways we are tackling these problems that are unique and or individual platforms. >> thank you, and i would encourage all to figure it out, because you don't want us to figure it out for you. thank you, and without a i yield back, mr. chairman. you,man nadler: thank gentlemen. >> thank you, chairman.
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thank you all for being here today. it is the first time i ever spoke on the floor of the u.s. -- earlier this year when a member of my own party made inexcusable remarks, republican leadership acted very quickly and disciplined him. -- it is aat member shame that this cannot be said for my colleagues across the aisle. could not even unite around a simple resolution to condemn anti-semitism without watering it down. , 11 jewish worshiped the tree of life synagogue just outside my district in pennsylvania. the day after that act, i stood in solidarity with americans of all regions, races and all ethnicities to honor the victims of the crime. we have to come together as a
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nation to stand up to hatred and bigotry in all forms, and all forms include anti-semitism. so, mr. klein, or do you think congress can do to combat the rise of anti-semitism is quick. >> i agree with you, congressman, there should be consequences to members of congress who make repeated anti-semitic remarks that are false in addition to being insensitive. when there is no consequences, it only emboldens others to continue that. also when it comes to campuses, or other has been constant verbal violence against jews, there has been no consequence. universities refused to publicly theseas people making awful statements and never dismiss or expel them from school. by the way, when these types of episodes occur against blacks
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are gays or muslims, they are expelled frequently. that is common. as they should be. i am not opposed to that. and we should understand, we -- why is it study that one half of the world's muslims have anti-semitic views? this is the anti-defamation league's own survey, not mine. two of coincidence that the three freshmen who have made anti-semitic remarks happen to be of that faith? we should have a study about that. muslim leader, a of egypt has said that we need a religious revolution, and a moms must step up to the plate and start making it clear that islam
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has to stop interpreting the atan in the way it does come which promotes hatred to all sorts of people, especially jews. >> thank you, mr. klein. you were speaking briefly about college campuses. i speak a lot at college campuses and there's a lot of talk about boycott the vestment movement.on, the bds in your opinion, is this feeling the anti-semitism on college campuses -- boycott divestment and sanction. >> bds is an anti-semitic movement. its leaders say openly, it's goal is to destroy israel through boycott, divestment and sanctions. resolutions are passed regularly on this, there are rallies about this, really demising jewish people and demonizing the jewish state of israel. we really need strong federal that the make it clear american governmental bodies
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will not do business with any organization or company that supports bds. they can say whatever they want, it is not a freedom of speech issue they can condemn israel and jews, but the u.s. government will not do business with them. that is what has to happen. the ultimate goal of. bds is israel's destruction. these people, by the way, never condemn the palestinian authority or other entities. namealestinian authority stadiums and streets after jew have hate in their sermons and speeches and you never see these bds people condemning this entity. making it clear that it is all about anti-semitism. for your responses. i yield back the remainder of my time. >> thank you, gentlemen. the german from rhode island. >> thank you mr.
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chairman, thank you to our witnesses. there have been a number of high-profile acts of violence in the united states by white supremacists, tree of life, that you mental ame church in charleston and others. i thank the chairman for convening this hearing and i regret that some of these panel have tried to hijack this hearing and desecrate the lives lost to the hate crimes and balance of white supremacists by attempting to use this as an opportunity to promote a political position or political party. i think that is despicable and deeply regrettable. during the last 10 years, 76% of individuals killed by right-wing extremists were killed by white supremacists. making it as you said in your report, making white supremacy the most deadly type of extremist movement is a united states in the last 10 years. that is a fact and we have to do something about it. that is what this hearing is about. first, butegin with
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technology platforms, i think something that is different today is the ability of white supremacists who are advocating andnce and advocating preaching hate have the ability to reach many more people because of the advent of technology. you, mr.ake it both potts and you, miss waldon agree that there is a rise in white supremacy activity in the united states. that is clear and correct, you don't dispute that? can you answer? that white nationalism is enjoying a meaningful resurgence in the united states based on the reporting from adl and law enforcement? >> yes. >> and there was no question that media companies play a role not intentionally perhaps, but play a role in facilitating the spread of communications on behalf of white supremacist or the movement? >> that is something we are
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absolutely concerned about. >> great. and you both facebook and google believe you have a curb orbility to prevent or restrict as much as you can the spread of these kind of attacks and new platforms. >> correct. >> yes, congressman. >> let me ask, specifically, you've referenced the creation of the global internet forum to counterterrorism. i think facebook and google are part of that effort. at facebook, you hired in 2016 and number of individuals to proactively examine and remove things from facebook that were considered connected to terrorist groups. >> that is correct, congressman. >> that has been a reasonably successful effort so far? >> with significant progress, sir. >> will facebook today commit to advocating the same kind of full-time team to proactively
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removing white supremacist content and promoting counter speech as he did with terrorist propaganda? >> that is an easy commitment because rendering it currently. >> you have a global internet forum to combat white supremacy? >> congressman, we treat white supremacy and hate organizations under our tourism standard. >> so let me ask you about a specific -- under our terms and standard. >> let me ask you, facebook announced that it would ban white supremacist content from its platforms, announcing that white supremacist and terrorism cannot be separate. on two days later, facebook said racethe media entitled against time, where she stated openly that people of color and jews are replacing white populations and specifically urged viewers to help stop the white race from vanish did the violate facebook policies. a week later, the video remained on the platform and was on the
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formally removed yesterday. my question is why was it not immediately removed? facebook has said it would ban this account and others on the area and strikeforce, but what specific steps is facebook taking to remove them from the platform? >> when we become aware of someone that espouses hate and violence and has these ideologies, we remove them when we can find the links. i think that was the case with miss goldie. i think she was removed from the platform. there will be no place for her north from going forward. >> i would like to read. >> and ask the witnesses responded to a letter to the community that reads in part -- it is not only the trump administration's rhetoric and refusal to the command white problematic,hat is it is actual xenophobic policies that have emboldened the most racist elements of our societies and pose danger to people of color. violence does not just take the
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form of mass shootings and vigilante murders, it is from the separation and refugee bands. it is not just flowers, it is the misuse of executive power. energizedements by such policies and such wars, some of them moved to violence thers mobilize to move current tree for politics and policy ever more in the direction. it seems like an element in the room that has been absent. the role of the bully pulpit. , the president of the united thees, and i would ask that first three witnesses, and i wanted to express to dr. abu salha, thank you for being here. we all express our deep condolences and your courage and strength to be here is a nice week to honor your three children. >> thank you. >> from the adl? >> certainly, thank you,
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congressman. i agree with you, there are chewed up things we need from our leaders. one, we need what they say when they dehumanize and modernize refugees are muslims, or anybody else from a marginalized community, that is a problem. the other is policies. . when you have anti-muslim bands, and to immigration at anti-refugee stuff, it emboldens white supremacists. i am not saying there are white supremacists, i am saying that this is celebrated and emboldened, you are absolutely right. >> thank you. >> as i said earlier, i come peace. i think i only see two members of the g.o.p. here, is that correct, at this moment. >> make your statement, please. >> this is important. i think the point you raised is very important. i was delighted to hear that the congress has come out against white supremacy and white nationalism, but was a that troubles me and friends of mine is that you don't seem to say
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anything when president trump says he is provocative -- of these provocative things that we think embolden white supremacists and white >> we would like that is what. the gentleman from florida. >> i would love to see my democratic colleagues condemn anti-semitism. i have a resolution i have filed. one of their own members of their own caucus have said very racist, anti-semitic remarks and have failed to address that. i would like to see the other side of the aisle condemn one of eir anti-semitic remarks. if there is anything you would like to respond to come i would like to give you the balance of my time to do that. >> i actually wanted to respond to the congressman. he was making references to me.
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i thought that was a bit cowardly. he was dishonest when he said the president refused to condemn white nationalism. i already gave the exact quote the president doing just that. the president has under multiple occasions condemned white supremacy and white nationalism. the president is helping black people every single day with his policies. talk aboutto black babies being separated from the wounds of black mothers. he brought up the rhetoric of the president in the same breath that he refer to me as despicable. we are americans and we are patriots. even if we disagree with you, name-calling should not be done, especially in these chambers. >> thank you, mrs. owens. is there anything you would like to respond to that has been said?
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i will give you the remainder of my time. >> i am really confused when the good doctor says that islam does not -- there is no problems at that. in fact, there is a dozen or more imams in states around the country public meet special have a loopy maidservants calling 2 haveound the country who .ublicly made bile statements there has to be a reformation -- rethinking of
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-- despite the fact that israel has offered a state to the palestinian authority four times in the past four years. this is to me one of the most serious issues as to why half of the world muslims are anti-semitic. what are one third of muslims in america anti-semitic? are one third of muslims in america anti-semitic? this has nothing to do with islam of phobia -- islamophobia. why is this an issue? we have to talk about this muslim anti-semitism, because this is endangering jews in america and throughout the world. god for bid this will be
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translated into physical violence even greater than what we see today. >> thank you. i will take the balance of my time to the joe mcknight texas -- the gentleman from texas. >> it is interesting that the first person and possibly the only american ever ordered killed by a u.s. president with was -- strike the bush administration and obama administration and was --tly, as an imam he
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testify killing an american citizen without a trial just to the drone strike. i appreciate atmosphere here. -- eliminating hate. it helps if you don't misquote or mischaracterize statements of the president. he never said asylum seekers are animals. the pictures of sent people to prison, sentenced people to death. my time has expired. chair.k you, mr. in congressional hearings, the minority party gets to select its own witnesses. out of all the people the
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republicans could have selected, they picked candace owens. i don't know her. i am not going to characterize her. i'm going to let her own words do the talking. this is a recording of a statement she made. >> i don't see any problems at all with the word nationalism. the definition of poisoned by elitists who want globalism, which is what i don't want. whenever you say nationalism, the first thing people think but is hitler. if he just wanted to make germany great, fine. he had dreams outside germany. he wanted to globalize, everybody to be speaking german. >> so my first question is, this itns said -- miss owens said
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justearned -- hitler wanted to make germany great, fine. so in people legitimate guys -- legitimate that -- legitimize it all filler -- i know that in my district in los angeles, swastikas were painted at a part come along -- at a park, along with a trail of blood. jews constituents mentioned they have had to increase security at synagogues. there is a nonprofit security grant program at the department
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of homeland security. do you think it would be worthwhile to increase funding to that program? drop] -- in terms of entanglement. in westchester county, where i live, the state and local governments provide a great deal of protection to the synagogues to which i belong. i understand. i would like to work more with congress but would like to caution about where we entangle. this is difficult to do. when we are scared like this, of course we what money. >> that is a great point -- we want money. >> that is a great point you make. i want to make sure this applies to mosques, not just synagogues.
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the first amendment does affect all these issues, including private sector companies to say whatever they want. i would like to also talk about a second program. this is one that i asked miss clark about. it has to do with the trump administration wanting to cut a called theic office community relations service office in a civil rights division of the department of justice. can you explain to the american people what the office does and itte it would be -- why would be a bad idea to cut funding? >> it is a very critical part of the justice department. they are considered the peacemakers. they stepped in to communities who are embroiled in the aftermath of a hate incident. they are the ones you would want to deploy to louisiana to the parishes where churches are burning right now. they are the ones you would want
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on the ground after the charlottesville hate rally. we are deeply concerned by proposals to cut funding to this office to shift this another part of the agency. the very subject matter of this hearing underscores the urgency of maintaining this office, which has been with us for decades. >> one of the reasons the office has worked well is because people who go and get interviewed, it is not a prosecutorial office. does that make it easier for people to provide information? >> that's right. they are the peacemakers. they are the ones who go and connect with communities that are suffering in the aftermath of the incident -- of a hate incident. they connect with the victims of hate crimes and connect them with services. most importantly, they help to ensure that it does not escalate and lead to more tension. we need this agency now more than ever.
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>> thank you and i yield back. gentleman from north dakota, mr. nordstrom. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i will yield my time. >> thank you. >> miss owens -- miss owens, i'm sorry. we just started recording. would you like time to respond to that? >> i think it's pretty apparent that he believes black people are stupid and will not pursue the full clip in its entirety. >> the witness will suspend for a moment. it is not proper to refer disparagingly to a number of the committee. the witness will not do that again. the witness may continue. >> sure, it even though i was called despicable. >> the witness may not refer to a member of the committee as stupid. >> that's not what i said at all. you didn't listen to what i said.
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matt continue? -- may i continue? as i said, he is assuming that black people will not pursue the full clip. he purposely extracted and cut off and you did not hear the question asked of the. he is trying to pretend as if i am launching a defense of hitler. the question was whether or not i believe in nationalism. i do not believe we should be characterizing hitler as a nationalist. he was a psychopathic, homicidal maniac that killed his own. people in nationalist would not kill his own people. this is similar to donald trump -- what they do to donald trump to create a different narrative. by the way, i would like to also add that i work for prager
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university, which is run by an orthodox jew. i sat on a plane for 18 hours to attend the opening of the embassy in jerusalem. i'm deeply offended. >> thank you, miss owens. i yield the remainder of my time. >> the gentleman yields back. the gentleman from maryland. >> thank you very much, mr. chairman. i want to start by thanking you for calling this hearing today. i want to thank my colleagues and the witnesses for engaging seriously with a serious problem. i am proud also that i am a member of the house of representatives that adopted the most comprehensive and forceful denunciation of anti-semitism in the history of the u.s. congress on march 7, 2019. hasof our colleagues
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repeated the talking point that somehow this was a watered down resolution because we included other forms of racism and bigotry and hate violence. i just want to take a second to dissent from that view. the white supremacist and nationalists we are discussing today hate minorities of almost every particular color, religion, race, character, ethnicity. be an could conceivably effective or comprehensive response to the problem that faces us today to pick out one form of bias and prejudice and target something that one -- simply that one? ieaking as a jewish person, feel strongly that the effort to defend jews from anti-semitism is integrally linked to the effort to defend african-americans, hispanics, members of the lgbt community, muslims, and others against
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white supremacists and racial violence. far from watering the resolution down, we strengthened it. a powerfuldecimated statement of the values of this institution -- made it a powerful statement of the values of this institution. in 2018 were thousands of hate crimes across the country. 50 people in america were murdered by domestic extremists, which marks a 30% increase over the prior year. 49 of the people murdered, or 98%, died at the hands of white nationalists and white supremacists, and antigovernment extremists. 2017, the fbi documents in more than 7008 crimes, which was a sharp increase over just a few years before. these are crimes motivated -- 700 hate crimes, which was a sharp increase over just a few
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years before. the anti-defamation league is involved every single day in the struggle against hate crimes and hate violence. the administration, as i understand it, has made an 84% cut from a program called combating violent extremism. $21 millionent from under the prior ministration to -- administration to $3 million in this administration. will you tell us about the combating violent extremism program and what this cup might mean -- cut might mean? >> thank you. what we need and what the adl once is preventing violent -- wants is preventing violent extremism. there have been criticisms from some of my colleagues in vulnerable communities that
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sometimes in the past that program profiled muslims. something.ay i want to take this moment to clarify from our experts who check violence from those who pervert the muslim faith. there is absolutely anti-semitism among them, as there is among all extremists. suggesting that this reflects the whole of the muslim community is in a strikes fear and perpetuates conspiracies against all muslims, which we have seen the results of inner life. notou certainly would want to ascribe terrorist use to a particular -- views to a particular religion. >> you are right. what i would say, the adl actually believes that civil society groups like those that ms. patterson and others are, setacademics are better
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situated right now to look at de-do radicalization -- radicalization. >> let me stop you. i appreciate that. one of the groups that lost money was called life after hate. they got a grant that was asked. we had -- axed. we had a big rally against the white supremacist who came to washington. we had people from this group, life after hate. they took young people who have got into extremist groups because it gave them a sense of belonging, membership. some people are actually racist, anti-somatic ideologues, and ihers are -- anti-semitic loves, and others are confused -- ideologues and others are
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confused. what do you know about life after hate. >> i have read very compelling stories about people who used to be skinheads and white supremacists who figured out this was wrong. i would say to all members of this committee, particularly republicans, to say to the administrative branch of government, to the executive, please find these programs -- fund these programs. it's nice that you talk about your aversion to white supremacy, but we need some muscle behind it. >> think the gentleman -- thank the gentleman. the gentlelady from florida. >> thank you to all the witnesses here today. toesrtainly keeps me on my and keeps me focused to hear all perspectives. i'm glad to see my colleagues on the other side of the aisle and hear their great concerns today
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about extremists and racist behavior. inse behaviors have existed this country since 1619. thank you for taking us back to the beginning, where slaves, maybe we need to be reminded the world is watching. hutured, beaten, raped, ng, children separated from their parents. we have seen that before. i that is not enough for you, joined my colleague in remembering a young man tied to dragged of a truck and until his body was unrecognizable as a human being. i join you in remembering james byrd. that's not enough for you, let's remember a young student who was pistol whipped, tortured,
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beaten, and tied to a fence in -- left to today we remember matthew shepard. hateful rhetoric does have consequences. we do extend our deepest condolences to you. -- to you regarding what family. to your one of my colleagues said that nothing that white nationalists claim resonates with any of us today. if that be true, you all would denounce hate at all times. not just wait until things are about at you don't like particular group or wait until time when it's politically advantageous. i do believe that in this country, we are better than that. let me remind my colleagues,
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because we are the ones with the authority and power to make the decisions. it took my republican colleagues over a decade to take any action against one of their own who had a reputation of making disparaging remarks. what are we going to do about it? there is hope. we have an opportunity to move forward. i would like to direct my s and missto mr. pott walton with regard to your platforms being used to spread hate and possibly violence. hateful rhetoric comes first, it seems, then the action follows it. groups, including the leadership conference on civil rights, civil human rights, and color of change have called for civil rights audits of tech companies after repeated failures to effectively and timely removed
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violent content, particularly relating to hate crimes. we have heard about new zealand. i don't need to talk about that. would your company's below to be willing toany submit to an external audit? i would like to know why or why not. >> thank you, congresswoman. currently we have employed one of the leading civil rights leaders civil liberties in america to do a civil rights audit. she published her first set of findings in january and will continue to examine our processes, policies, and report -- room for unintentional bias that may creep into our system. audite her a lotto do the -- a lotto do the audit -- a lot of space to do the audit. >> it's about getting better,
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isn't it? it really is. >> absolutely. >> thank you. we did not receive a similar request to do an audit, but we work very closely with organizations like the leadership conference, adl, muslim public affairs council, etc. we work very closely with organizations to ensure that their work in the way we think about these issues. >> would you be willing to submit to an audit? >> would undergo audits under the european code of conduct on hate speech already. that is something we made public and are willing to do so. >> if something you are willing to take a look at? >> this. >> height of back -- yes. >> i yield back. >> thank you very much. today's hearing comes at a time when incidents of hate and violence are increasing at an alarming rate.
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as i am sitting here listening to the testimony today, on thinking about the impact in just my own district. servicesr i attended at our local temple after the squirrel hill incident. i had to pass police cars parked outside to protect the temple. a couple of weeks ago i went to a mosque to meet with muslim neighbors after the shooting in new zealand. i had to pass the police cars. on sunday i was in charleston with family for a family event and took the opportunity to attend services at mother emanuel in church -- mother emanuel. i had some consolation while i was there in knowing that just a few weeks ago this committee held hearings on nonviolence and the house passed the charleston loophole bill, which would have
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denied a gun to the white supremacist to murder people at mother emmanuel. we have made a little bit of progress. we are far from being through. just the fact that we hear that white nationalists our fundraising off of this hearing today by live streaming it is really troubling. tos clark, can you speak what more the justice department could be doing in this space? question.ou for that we have talked a lot about hate crime's and the need for the justice department to bring more resources to bear investigating and prosecuting perpetrators. before we close out, we also talk about the impact of hate on children. we know that there has been a 25% increase in hate incidents indicate to 12 context -- in the k-12 context. the justice department has resources to make sure schools are safe environments, safe
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learning environment for all kids, regardless of race. we are seeing hate play out in the workspace. the justice department can play a role in stamping out the hate that african-americans, muslims, and other minorities are experiencing in the workplace. when ne -- we need a justice department willing to roll up its sleeves. we know through our own work that law enforcement agencies on the ground are often ill-equipped and not prepared to confront hate. making sure the justice department is stepping in to provide support to bring perpetrators to justice, thinking about hate and how it's playing out in schools and workplaces is also critical. finally, data collection is so key. we know that there are a lot of hate crimes that go underreported. more importantly, a lot of law enforcement agencies failed to report data to the federal level
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as they are required to. finding ways to incentivize better data collection and data reporting is also crucial in the war against hate. >> ok. thank you for the. -- that. we have seen a little bit of this even today, where minority groups are being pitted against one another. i don't want to let the white supremacists -- i don't want to do their work for them by pitting people against each other. the adl has been pretty vocal that there is no evidence that hate crimes in the u.s. against the jewish people are being committed by muslims and vice versa. you speak to what your research shows and how white supremacists are using this strategy of pitting jews and muslims against each other to drum up divisive rhetoric and a false rhetoric about who is committing domestic terrorism in
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the u.s.? >> thank you. representative scanlan, you brought up again the need to look at the data and to be transparent about it so everybody else can look at it and make sure. it is true that what we are not seeing is muslims in the united states hacking -- attacking jews or vice versa. in a democratic, pluralist society like the united states should be, and is meant to be, if we don't join in coalition and have each other's backs, no minority is safe. the only winners are those who sow division and try to divide us, whether that's for white supremacists agendas, democrats, republicans using it for political gain. whatever that is, who wins? i don't want to be the jewish people or any people to be a prop for that.
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i thank both mr. raskin and the gop senators who have made these comments and statements against hate. don't use us as props. that is what is happening. it is divide and conquer. the haters when. win.ters >> thank you for having this hearing on this very important topic. for me, we are seeing more incidents occur that we believe to be hate crime's. i have today the written testimony of the late david richardson the resident who testified in front of this committee in 2007.
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his experience as a hate crime survivor. he was targeted for being mexican-american. his attractors attempted to carve a swastika on his chest. to carveers attempted a swastika on his chest. he woke up at the hospital weeks later, his life changed forever. the former running back and homecoming prince spent three months in the hospital and endured more than 30 surgeries. his assailants had no liability under federal law for the hate crimes committed. mr. richardson gave his testimony in this very committee while advocating for the law enforcement act of 2007, which expended the ability to prosecute hate crimes. president obama signed a version of that law into thousand nine,
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but sadly, richardson would not live to see the fruits of his courage. , at 18g out against hate years old, richardson committed suicide and near q. week -- a few weeks after testifying here. ways how hateful impacts others. i want to start my questions with you. weone of my colleagues said, are not trying to compete here, but there is a rise in crime -- hate crimes against immigrants, particularly.
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>> yes, there is a slight increase. data, look at the fbi which is from 2017, you see that all of this has arisen. jews of 37%. religion 27%. ethnicity -- attacks against refugees and immigrants up. questionsto direct my to representatives from facebook. reassurance inny terms of what we are doing to messageso a lot of the on social media, not just facebook and google, but also
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through twitter. done to ensure that all you people out there globally know the dog whistles andkeywords, the phrasing the things that people respond to to ensure that we can stop some of this and be more proactive in blocking some of this language? >> thank you for the question. that is exactly one of the things that we are constantly thinking about. who seek to exploit our platforms are uniquely motivated. their tactics are ever evolving. internally, we have an intel desk to track trends of what we are seeing on our platform and we try to understand what others are seeing as language changes.
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it is important to understand dog whistles, so we know when slurs are happening. >> we do have 30,000 people focused on safety and security. we have specific subject matter experts who focus on this area. we have academics and human rights background people. we do use a lot of artificial intelligence to help provide data analysis. working not only across the industry, but with academia. thaty to write policies target that. >> i hope you do more. thank you. >> time has expired.
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the chair recognizes the gentleman from washington. thank you also much. i appreciate that we are having this important hearing. i want to say before i get to my question that the ranking member talked about the need to call out hate. wonder why the minority called some witnesses who have actually treated -- traded this. >> with the gentleman yield -- gentlewoman yield? >> not right now. we have a mass murderer who really did trade and hate.
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did call out one of the witnesses on this panel as being an inspiration. for people across the country who are watching this hearing, the idea that we would give any legitimacy to speech that in any way might be considered as triggering that kind of action is different than saying that somebody is responsible, but i think it is deeply hurtful for people across the country who might be watching this, to see some of those things expressed or given legitimacy. an important consideration at we have gotten a lot of emails about this. i asked for unanimous consent to entered into the record a statement from a number of
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groups. thank you. let me go to my questions now. my first question is for mr. potts. following the tragic hate crime , facebook band might nationalism on facebook and instagram. it probably should have been done along time ago, given the evidence you had following heather's death at the rally. to ensureou doing now that the ban is fully enforced? >> condolences to her family. just to be clear on the policy on banning white nationalism and separatism, we have been looking at it for a fairly long time.
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we met with a wide range of groups globally went america, europe, africa and elsewhere to really focus and see what those groups would say across the spectrum. >> i do not want to cut you off, but i have very little time. please address that there are still white nationalists pages on your site. >> i'm site. we become of these pages, we remove them in a variety of ways. some proactive searching for those so that they may remove them. approachully holistic that we take. >> thank you. civil rights organizations have
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asked for greater transparency. can you commit to sharing your enforcement practices and training procedures with the public? protecting civil rights is something very personal to me. >> if you are concerned about privacy issues, will you commit with congress and stakeholders as soon as possible? >> i'm sure that will also be part of the assessment. >> is that a yes or no? would you share your enforcement practices to make sure that there is enforcement? >> if we can. >> can you give me a clear yes? >> yes, we have a transparency report. >> they go. as the enforcement policy
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include a program for civil rights organizations to review potential hateful activities? partnerships where they had that. i think i misunderstood your other question about enforcement. i can't twice year, so transfer misunderstanding. >> will you give me a woman -- a moment? >> i just want to make sure that i can reclaim my time. >> i just want to say that it has been brought up in my time. those liveerning streaming violence, such as the act in new zealand. i was not talking about those five minutes of fame. i was talking about a discussion
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on how we can take those away from them. thank you. i was not disagreeing with you. i actually agreed with your statement. i just wondered why the minority invited witnesses that clearly have very controversial pieces in their background, including one that was seen to be the biggest influence on the white supremacists who slaughtered 99 worshipers. mr. chairman, i healed back. thank you, mr. chairman. as a survivor of a hate crime myself, i want to begin by .eeting this statement on october 27, 2018, an individual fueled by white
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national hatred entered the tree of life synagogue, murdered 11 innocent people and seriously wounded community members and pittsburgh police officers. we are survivors of that violent act of extremism and hate. do not want others to endure what we had had to enjoy. we need to take the measures necessary. to make sure that our law enforcement agencies are organized and have the resources to monitor and combat this threat. commonsense measures to keep weapons out of the wrong hands. thank you so much for listening to us and thank you for all of your efforts on behalf of our country. chairman, i ask for unanimous consent. thank you. you and i are survivors.
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each of us has lost loved ones because of the deadly combination of prejudice and a firearm, whether that hatred was directed towards a black son, muslim daughters were a jewish congregation. we are constantly reminded of the bigotry that claims more lives every single day. survivors oute to of so many of us and there will be more survivors every day that white supremacy is allowed to persist. please tell me what resources are needed for the rising numbers of survivors of hate crimes, both immediately after incident and in the months and years after. many american states do not have hate crime laws. the great state of south carolina has an ethnic intimidation law in place.
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all, we have to have hate crime laws in every state. theink we need to revisit definition of hate crime. it is insufficient of ask to prove it is a hate crime that the criminal has to declare. to the professor of criminology. the given cause of the crime, the atrocity of the crime. he did pick and choose a target. have an opportunity to emphasizeould like to that i was trained by jewish professors. i have jewish friends. my son has best friends who are jewish.
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i find it troubling that he turned this composition into an almost islam of the phobic -- islamic phobic presentation. -- whatxing the common is jewish-american versus israeli? we are not here to discuss foreign policy. muslimmyself as american holding onto my freedom and my privacy. pledget have to give any of allegiance. >> cap and the government support -- how can the government support hate speech? >> we know that hate crimes are on the rise. we also know that a tremendous
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number of hate distant -- incidents go underreported. they need to provide support for victims when hate incidents happen. it is critical that they work with prosecutors to make sure the perpetrators are held accountable and i think it is important that they speak up and use their voice to condemn these incidents when they happen. the silence can be truly deafening. >> the gentleman from colorado is recognized. chairman and mr. to the witnesses for being here today. thank you for your testimony and your courage. my condolences to you for your loss. too many people in this country feel unwelcome, unsafe and naturalized. we cannot allow for heat to be normalized. demandvice of rhetoric
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discussion and action. of extremist related fatalities between 2008 and 2017 recommended by members of the far right movement. the rise of white supremacy has been perpetrated by online platforms. after the massacre in new .ealand we need a solution and one would only come by working hand-in-hand with platforms. that, mr. cox, my question is for you. thank you for being here and thank you for your service to our country. likereciate the first apps facebook have taken. use of their platforms from white nationalists. into how dig deeper
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the policy is working in practice. understanding that it has only been in existence for about a week and a half. if you could give us further theils, my understanding is pages that you are screening, you are using a series of algorithms to screen pages that would violate your new norms or standards of conduct. >> we use a series of artificial intelligence and human reviewers to do proactive sweeping for that kind of content. we use signals from our community to help us hone in on what might be white nationalists or separatist behavior. whitefind known supremacists or separatist, we have a fan out to look at that person's connections to get to
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the root of those networks. >> thank you for the answer. on balance, what would the percentage be of the content been triggered by these algorithms that you use that would be posted or created by fake accounts? have that number, but i am happy to follow-up. it would be very helpful to have that data. it would be quite informative in terms of the steps that you all would continue to take or new steps that might be necessary. your organization prepared a study last year following the horrific shooting at the pittsburgh synagogue. millionyzed 17.5
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twitter messages between august 31 and september 17 and found almost 30% of the accounts which reading hateful messages. bots.ppeared to be i suppose you could confirm that was the case. >> 4.2 million twits and 40% were bots. >> i am curious if on facebook you have had conversations about how to deal with the proliferation of those fake accounts. last year alone, facebook disabled 1.3 billion fake accounts. percentageound the of the content being fined by the algorithm produced by fake bots, the reason that it is important is that it mirrors the data that we have seen and other mediums.
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made at be a case to be the source. we do have a strong behavior policy. if those accounts include white nationalism and separatists, maybe financially motivated, we reduce those networks forcefully. we are well into the double digits now and we continue to act on that policy. >> playtime has expired. my time has expired. >> thank you mr. chairman. a key for holding this important hearing. i am not interested in the false discussion over whether white supremacy exists in america or around the world. it does and it costs lives.
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up the like to lift doctor's testimony. i'm sorry for your unimaginable loss. i bring back these beautiful photographs of these beautiful children, your children. i would argue, our children. thank you for telling the terrible story of their death. but i am more impressed with is the story of their lives and how they carry -- how you carry that story and repeat that story because i was thinking through preventimony, how do we further acts of terrorism based hatred and notions of white supremacy? --do that by lift up stories lifting up stories of love.
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that is what you do as you sit here and it is more important than any policy decision we can make. did want to say that team. i want to open it to you. thank you. >> i appreciate that. we are proud of them. if anything maintains us and helps us survive, it is their legacy. you can visit the website and learn more. fighting terrorism has been the top of the agenda for most americans. practicing our rights as americans, altogether. ,hen you single out any group black or muslim, you make them
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more vulnerable. it is something that we all agree about this country. >> i will take a look at your programs and that marvelous endowment. it is an endowment of love. you do not make sweeping statements about all democrats this or that. keep that. i wanted to talk about rhetoric. in my past life, i taught writing and rhetoric at a university in philadelphia. i really care about language and what we say, as much as we need to be talking policy. i want to find out what you think the testimony today or the testimony that we hear from this -- what does that reveal? how does that impact what we are doing?
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words matter, but how can we make that tangible? the rhetoric, the policy actions matter. peoplee influencing how think about and interact with fellow citizens who might be of a different race or religion. and every term, we have seen policy actions that make clear that people of color have a target on their back. we are seeing the dehumanization of african-american and muslims, and other communities of color. where i think we have seen the ugliest impact is on our kid, on children that are internalizing heat because of what is happening at the federal level.
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about they concerned hate crimes that we are seeing in schools. we have seen a 20% uptick in hate crimes at schools. i think it will take a lot of work to push back against the crisis that we face and to undo the damage, to reprogram children that have been harmed by what they have internalized. >> communication is going to be the key for the way out of this. and you all for your testimony today. i want to follow up with a question. he said -- you said you took the page down, but what is the specific proactive step? what steps are you taking? >> your time has expired. the witness may answer the question. >> the policy was just announced about a week and half ago and
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just going into enforcement. in that policy, we are doing collective work with our artificial intelligence, to get it in front of human reviewers. groups like this woman, we found out via the user report. andere able to remove her consider her to be a white nationalists. >> it seems to me to be quite late to be coming to that notion. this is social media and you are an important platform, a widely used platform. thatdisappointed that policy is so new. thank you, mr. chairman. angie for holding this most important hearing to address the issue of hate crimes and how to
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prevent them. back home, in orange county, california, we are not immune. we have seen a sharp rise in hate crimes and race related incidents. those are just the crimes that are reported. two years ago in charlottesville, virginia, a self-professed neo-nazi attacked, resulting in a young woman's death. after that attack, i called the homeland security committee to hold a hearing addressing hate crimes in the rise of white nationalism. i got nothing. -- a manber, a managed opened fire in a synagogue in pittsburgh. it was the deadliest attack against jewish community in the u.s., in our history. the day after that attack, i called for a hearing. i got nothing.
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chairman, i applaud your leadership on holding this most important hearing. the two terrorist attacks are not the only hate crimes in the last few years. let's not fighting -- forget about the charleston church and other attacks. just temple in wisconsin and other attacks. and just yesterday, the family of army lieutenant richard collins the third shared their painful experience of domestic terrorism in my office. the family told me a story. they are constituents from steny hoyer's district. their son, who had recently and commissioned in may 2017, was killed, stabbed in the heart by an individual inspired by white supremacist material. this is a picture of richard collins. young man. ready to go to the army.
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two weeks after graduating from army rotc, college army rotc, stabbed in the heart while waiting for a bus. in the name of all of these victims, trying to prevent them in the future, i have a lot of questions. chair, i would ask you again, when our political leaders echo white supremacist and white nationalist ideas, does that inspire violence in the streets? >> honestly, it does. if you are in charge, and power, you are a role model. i don't want to name names and i'm not a politician, so i don't follow the details of everything
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in washington, d.c., but it would be inspiring for our leaders to be uniting and fair and calculated when they talk andt sensitive issues reinforce unity and solidarity of all americans. we are the most diverse country in the world. if our leaders do not practice that genuinely, we are on a dark path. >> ms. clark, following up on myt comment about diversity, district, i consider it to be the new ellis island. we have people from all over the world, immigrants, refugees. a lot of those kids in those veryls are very nervous, stressed out very scared. what do i tell them? >> that we have done them a grave injustice and that we as adults need to be due -- do better and we need to expect
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more from national leaders, no student deserves to go to a school where the n-word is on the wall or swastikas are found in bathrooms, or kkk flyers are distributed. these are all things we are seeing right now play out inside of our nation's schools. we need law enforcement to do better and we need leaders to reject policies that dehumanize students of color and communities of color, and importantly, we need to condemn the hate playing out across our country right now. >> i think what you are trying to say is we have to remember what america is all about. a country of immigrants, a country of folks that have been rejected by their home countries, come to america, and have made this country the greatest in the world. we have to remind our children of our heritage. mr. chairman, i yield. >> i think the gentleman. the gentlelady from florida is recognized.
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>> thank you. as we closeerate this hearing today, i think it is important for all of us to remember why we are here. we are here to deal with the rise of white nationalism, to deal with the rise of violent hateful crimes. abu-salhaspect mr. for coming here and honoring your children from that event. can you describe briefly so everyone understands in the simplest form, what is white nationalism? >> white nationalism is one of the many euphemisms for white supremacy. the core ideology of white supremacy now used to be before the civil rights movement to be to keep the dominance of the white race. now it is fear of the imminent,
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genocide of the white race by a and otheron-whites people they considered degenerates, which they say the asod is orchestrated by jews parasitic puppeteers. >> thank you. i am an immigrant from ecuador. would white nationalists perceive me as a threat? somebodyimmigrant, as x, yes, latina, latin that is the dominant ideology. >> and my husband is jewish. would he be perceived as a threat? >> he would be perceived as some omnipotent, parasitic force, loyal only to his own race and a threat to the white race. >> and my children who were born in this incredible nation, but
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whose parents are a mix of latino and jewish, would they be perceived as a threat? >> yes. what they consider miscegenation, whether that is african-american and white or ,omething else, they would be and as having parents, both of whom are from communities that they demean and dehumanize, yes, they would. >> and have you heard of the group the proud boys? >> yes. >> i was a victim of an act of hate from the proud boys a few months ago. i was visiting the office of one of my now colleagues, representative donna shalala, in miami. the chairman of the miami republican party along with the proud boys organized a hate rally where we had to be placed in lockdown because they were banging at the doors, screaming profanities i cannot repeat and public. we had to call law enforcement officers. we had to wait for a few hours.
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a threatening and fearful experience for me. one of the first times i actually experienced it firsthand, what we are dealing with in this country. thankfully, nothing happened to any of us and law-enforcement came right away. what do you think the consequence should be for these kinds of groups? i think the laws, the tracking and the laws on the books, as the doctor said, need to be enhanced. there are a number of different things. aboutarke has talked education. i know there is federal legislation to enhance hate crime laws. a lot of crimes are state laws. a lot of this starts online with real-life consequences. xingtate has an anti-doxy
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laws. we need hate crime online and enhanced hate crime laws. it was through facebook that they got this rally organized. i can tell you all that i have done my research and there are still videos from the proud boys that are trending online through various forums, one of them youtube. off,larke, to finish facebook said they removed white supremacist content as soon as they are aware of it. from the lawyers committee's experience, is that accurate? >> we are very pleased that after many months, they abandoned the ill-conceived policy of giving white , oremacist activity the ok banning white supremacist activity, but having white nationalists and separatist activity the red light. i will say that for several months. we flagged pages like the
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nationalist agenda page on facebook. we realize a hard work lies ahead, but no doubt tech companies need to step up if we will combat hate crimes. online hate is so pervasive and widespread. >> and as ms. walden stated earlier, she was concerned of aggressive oversight. i think we have to work together as congress members and heads of companies that are spreading this. i know it's extremely difficult to control, but we have to do better than this because we can't allow the hateful rhetoric to spread. thank you so much. >> the gentlelady from florida. from texas, i'm sorry. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i wanted to put three articles in the record. the first one, three black churches that burned in 10 days
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in a single louisiana parish has unanimous consent. hate crimes increased for the third consecutive year, fbi reports. and counties that hosted a 2016 increasely saw a 226% with hate crimes. i ask unanimous consent to put those items into the record, which is a reflection of this hearing. >> without objection, the items will be entered into the record. this concludes today's hearing. thank you to the distinguished witnesses for attending. without objection, all members will have five legislative days to submit written questions or additional materials to the record. the hearing is adjourned. >> mr. chairman, there are 21 democrats missing and 15 republicans.
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